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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby TT » Fri 17 Nov 2006, 22:39:53

Why would I be on anti depressants just because I know about peak oil. Certainly it is a challenge to try to insulate myself and my family from the problems I foresee coming in the future. But it is not depressing.

Regardless of my desires I can only do so much for the future. I have moved back to the country - after retiring to the city. We now have 5 productive acres, an energy efficient home, alternative heating and cooking, our own food production, our own independant water supply and a very relaxed and economical lifestyle.

Even though I know harder times are coming, I can't get depressed about it. Nobody ever promised me eternal happiness and an easy life.
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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby willjones4 » Fri 17 Nov 2006, 23:14:07

I have tried a few antidepressants. Most had the zombie effect, some did nothing. I have better luck with the ganja. I dont drink because my father died 11/1 at age 56 from cirrhosis of the liver from it. I do believe the herb is one of the safer mind alterers out there.
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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby mmasters » Sat 18 Nov 2006, 00:59:52

Been there done that.

When I was younger I had a brief period where I went mental, ya know hormones, parents relocated when I was a teen, bad influences, etc...

I went through about 20 different antidepressants, 10-20 other psychotropic drugs, mental institutions, got involved in all kinds of street drugs, psychedelics, dropped out of high school, etc...

Then I said fuck all this shit, got my act together did hard manual labor for a few years, worked my way back into college, financed my own college education through day trading in the stock market, worked my way through the corporate system and now I'm in the top 1% salary range of all people my age in New York City.

I've been from the bottom of society to the top in about a 10 year span, while I don't regret the antidepressants I would never do them again, they are a trap and as another poster said they just "flatline" or neutralize your emotions, making you a zombie of sorts.

The thing that's made all the difference for me is the quest to find out who I am as a person. I accomplished that through years of exploring my mind through psychology, psychedelics, and years of studying human nature as well as my quest to hook up with hot women and the great school of hard knocks.

Best bet is to find yourself, take full responsibility for your life and it's ridiculous what you can accomplish.

PO is a challenge and not without great opportunities...
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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby IanC » Sat 18 Nov 2006, 13:42:04

I'm a Physician Assistant in an Emergency Room. Along with lots of minor trauma and infectious disease, we get sent the rest of the "low acuity" cases. Some of these are truly, clinically depressed people who need help. These folks have serious neurological imbalances and something like Prozac might be needed. HOwever, I see a bunch of people who have miserable lives, and have had miserable lives for many years, can't take it anymore and want to feel better. They practically beg me to prescribe Prozac to give them an out. I almost never do. When they are in crisis, the last thing they need is a pill - it won't work! I send them to talk to a counsellor or other mental health professional.

I think it's sad how disconnected we are, not only from supportive, nourishing human contact, but from the essentials of our own wellbeing. We're constantly groomed to believe that buying a product will improve us somehow. The consumerist conquest of our minds is almost total.

As to the ganja - BRING IT ON! Medically proven to be way safer and much more effective than most products from big pharma. It grows like a week and would be amazingly cheap to produce. It's a gift from the goddess. Any wonder why there is such a jihad against it?

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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sat 18 Nov 2006, 16:25:13

I was until I found peak oil :razz:
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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 18 Nov 2006, 19:22:37

Yep, I'm on Effexor. I'm bipolar. Without antidepressant/antianxiety I become mostly nonfunctional. The future looks grim. :-D
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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby gego » Sat 18 Nov 2006, 19:39:32

I take vitamins and read the posts on this site which many times give me a good laugh.

I am too optimistic and too mean to get depressed.
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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sat 18 Nov 2006, 23:12:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'Y')ep, I'm on Effexor. I'm bipolar. Without antidepressant/antianxiety I become mostly nonfunctional. The future looks grim. :-D


Is there sarcasm here or you really on Effexor?
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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby threadbear » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 00:19:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'Y')ep, I'm on Effexor. I'm bipolar. Without antidepressant/antianxiety I become mostly nonfunctional. The future looks grim. :-D


Ludi, It seems bipolar is a bit of a pop diagnosis, nowadays. I mean, I'm up (mainly) then down sometimes and have terrible insomnia.

I went to a shrink many years ago who diagnosed me as mildly cyclothymic. Well sh** man, who isn't? I diagnosed him as having a disorder that causes shrinks to make big money by over-diagnosing moody irritable weirdos, like me. Are you sure you're not just weird? Really. Because there's plenty you can do about that. I've actually taken weird to a whole new level and thrived, as a result. No drugs required.
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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby mmasters » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 00:35:31

I love being weird. :-D

Who would want to aspire to normalcy anyhow?
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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby seldom_seen » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 01:02:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'Y')ep, I'm on Effexor. I'm bipolar. Without antidepressant/antianxiety I become mostly nonfunctional. The future looks grim. :-D

Ludi, I highly recomend you get your hands on a copy of The Omega-3 Connection by Harvard MD Andrew Stoll. (amazon link)

Part of his book documents the study where he took what were written off as "lost cause" cases of bipolar disorder and put them on high doses of fish oil. Most if not all made complete recoveries.

If you're feeling nonfunctional off those meds most of that is probably the side effects of withdrawal symptoms. Effexor and the whole classs of SSRI medications are pure poison, and should be illegal. These drugs act by tricking your brain in to making you think you feel better (seritonin reuptake instead of serotonin creation and thus massive seritonin crash if people go cold turkey, very dangerous), rather than actually providing the nutrients that your out of balance brain needs and can be attained elsewhere.

They put my father on that shit once, a high energy dude who is always active exercising or doing this or that. He totally changed and would go in to his office and sleep on the floor. My mother was freaked. Not to mention the under-reported suicide and homicide rate that occurs on this type of medication.
But how the world turns. One day, cock of the walk. Next, a feather duster.
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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby ChicknLittle » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 01:35:02

If you've never experienced clinical depression you have no idea what you are saying when you say you would never take antidepressants. If you have never tried to converse or rationalize with a person who is in a mania, or delusional, you don't know why anti-psychotics are invaluable and (sometimes) necessary. Antidepressants aren't just for "blue" moods... they are for depression, which is a disease state with suffering and consequences. http://www.mental-health-today.com/dep/dsm.htm
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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby threadbear » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 02:02:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ChicknLittle', 'I')f you've never experienced clinical depression you have no idea what you are saying when you say you would never take antidepressants. If you have never tried to converse or rationalize with a person who is in a mania, or delusional, you don't know why anti-psychotics are invaluable and (sometimes) necessary. Antidepressants aren't just for "blue" moods... they are for depression, which is a disease state with suffering and consequences. http://www.mental-health-today.com/dep/dsm.htm


I don't think anyone would disagree with you. The question I had for Ludi involved diagnosis, more than anything. It seems to me that people are being labelled psychotic, who aren't. That's wrong.

Drugs are probably the best treatment in a crisis episode or emergency involving depression. For something like schizophrenia, drugs are unfortunately , pretty necessary for the long term.
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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby ChicknLittle » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 09:33:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I') don't think anyone would disagree with you. The question I had for Ludi involved diagnosis, more than anything. It seems to me that people are being labelled psychotic, who aren't. That's wrong.
I agree, threadbear... "Bipolar" is thrown around way too loosely. I guess my main point is that psychiatric illness is real, and often deserving and requiring of treatment (when correctly diagnosed), and that there is harm both in overdiagnosis and treatment AND in underdiagnosis and undertreatment. It is a personal decision whether the benefit of meds is worth the risk. I am sure that many people are on medications they are not truely benifiting from, and others are using medications as a crutch to allow them to function without addressing the underlying cause of their anxiety/depression (job, substance abuse, relationships). But, for those that recognize a need and benefit, medications are a blessing. Many people would survive without their medications, but depression, dysfunction and suffering would be greater without meds for those that are now benifiting from them.
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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 15:48:58

I often wonder how much of psychiatric illness is actually induced by our crappy eating habits, processed food and soil depletion. Theres a book I read recently called The Mood Cure... and re-read and re-read.

One of my girls was diagnosed as being ADHD, I was reading the report of the doctors findings this summer while watching her zone in to the tv, sitting very still and quietly and seeing her twin who was trying to watch the same show, squirm, twitch and talk 5 miles an hour. And I thought that if they call the calm one ADHD what would they diagnose the active one as....

So three weeks ago, I put them both on L-tyrosine like this book said and the active ones teacher reported amazing changes in my daughters behaviour... makes you wonder.
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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby threadbear » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 16:12:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'I') often wonder how much of psychiatric illness is actually induced by our crappy eating habits, processed food and soil depletion. Theres a book I read recently called The Mood Cure... and re-read and re-read.

One of my girls was diagnosed as being ADHD, I was reading the report of the doctors findings this summer while watching her zone in to the tv, sitting very still and quietly and seeing her twin who was trying to watch the same show, squirm, twitch and talk 5 miles an hour. And I thought that if they call the calm one ADHD what would they diagnose the active one as....

So three weeks ago, I put them both on L-tyrosine like this book said and the active ones teacher reported amazing changes in my daughters behaviour... makes you wonder.


Very interesting, UE. Something else that seems to be routinely overlooked in the treatment of depression, is sunlight exposure. I bet you could parallel on a graph the incidence of depression in the general population, with the emphasis on avoiding direct sunlight, that dermatologists have been pushing for the last couple of decades.

It seems that people have taken the avoidance of sunlight to extremes and are actually doing themselves harm, particularly in Northern climates where exposure to sunlight in winter is particularly difficult to achieve.

Reduced exposure to sunlight is being linked to inadequate levels of vitamin D, in modern Northern society. Inadequate vitamind d is being looked at as a factor in rising incidence of breast cancer, reemerging nutritional diseases like rickets, and also implicated in Multiple Sclerosis. Mega doses of vitamin D look like they could become promising therapy for MS.

Depression may be nature's way of signalling people to get out in the sun more. What if depression is a psychiatric precursor to diseases that eventually go on to devastate the body?

Years ago I read a book about light's effect on mating behaviour. Exposure to sunlight is key here. Many animals don't come in to season without it. I think of the epidemic of sexual apathy, particularly among women and think this may be a factor for humans too. People's lives are just plain gloomy, in many ways, and made doubly so by lack of light exposure.
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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby Kingcoal » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 16:12:09

This girl needs Tryptophan to keep her sanity. God I'd love to be her dealer.

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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby threadbear » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 16:19:37

She could so kick your ass, Kingcoal.
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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby Kingcoal » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 16:34:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'S')he could so kick your ass, Kingcoal.


She could kick both our asses...
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Re: Are you on anti depressants?

Unread postby Licho » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 16:41:53

I'm taking high overdoses of fresh carrot and sex. Does it count? :)
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