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Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 17 Nov 2006, 23:28:32

This guy, The War Nerd, writes with more venom than Tom Wolfe. Here he is eviscerating the writer of war thrillers and spy novels, Tom Clancy. Tom Clancy Is Not One Of Us A few quotes so you can get the flavor of the thing is in order. He's talking about how Clancy was a nerd accountant who got lucky and rich and dumped his fat old wife Wanda for a 20 year old gold digger.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ver since I read that the poor trusting cow was named Wanda, I've had this image of her in my head. I mean I can imagine what Wanda looks like: like Tom in drag, Tom in a Pat Nixon wig and K-mart lipstick. Like the fat lady on that Drew Carey show.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')anda working out, trying to live on grapefruit. You know, nobody tries harder or believes the crap more than us fat people. Six months sweating and she loses three pounds...and lately Tommy's spending a lot of evenings with his "fans." His 20-year-old "fans," skinny girls with names like Caitlin, not Wanda. All hair and smiles and tight little butts. "Oh, Tom, you're such a genius! You're the bestest writer in the whole woooorld!"


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')he [the 20 yr old] expects him to jump her right then, but he keeps talking about the torpedo till the groupie is ready to slit his throat with her martini glass. She knows he's worth something like half a billion so she's ready to let him shove his blimp body into hers -- but she didn't realize there'd be so much talk first. It's worse than the way her stepfather used to talk about Motocross before fucking her.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')aitlin's pretending she's still asleep, still retching a little. It was even worse than she thought it would be. The smells -- anybody that rich should be clean at least. It's too soon to assert herself, so she has to let him prance around in his stupid jockeys, talking big on the mobile. He'll pay later. Once the wedding bells have rung out.


heh heh, "rich" stuff. Brecher says with that money he'd become a Warlord and go raping and pillaging in Central Asia:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat's so difficult to undersand? It's the oldest and most sensible style of war. Compare it to, say, WW I: which kind of war would you rather be in? Gassed or blown apart in the trenches -- for what? What do you get out of it? Now compare that to war Central-Asian or African style: the village over the hill has some cute girls and some nice carpets, so you sack it, kill the men, enslave the girls, recruit the boys and move on.


Brecher says he's fat and ugly and hates his life and that's why he's a war nerd. Whatever, he sure writes well, a modern Jonathan Swift.
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Re: Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 18 Nov 2006, 20:40:29

On the war:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') heard a Marine officer complaining that the insurgents in Fallujah use the locals for human shields. Don't they teach you anything about guerrilla war in the service? The whole idea of guerrilla warfare is to hide in the civilian population. You snipe from the mosque or the kindergarten till finally the occupiers get mad enough to start firing blind at the mosque, the kindergarten, whatever. The people blame the occupiers, not the guerrilla. You're doing the guerrillas' recruiting for them.

It's a little weird, if you ask me, how nobody in charge seems to know all that. After all, we just went through a whole century of guerrilla warfare. Take a world map, point at random and you'll find a country that probably had a guerrilla war in the past 100 years.

But we're acting like it's a shock, like the Iraqis are breaking the rules. That's like calling a personal foul in a bar brawl.


On counterinsurgency and torture:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his stuff came out of a book: the Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual, published by the CIA in the early '80s. It was a torture manual, but not the House of Bondage stuff you'd expect. The CIA said basically that the point of torture was to make the victim shrink back into a terrified little kid, and the best way to do that was to humiliate, confuse and just plain wear out the victim, not pull his fingernails out. So they stressed sleep deprivation, messing with his sense of time, and forcing him into weird postures, so when he fell he'd blame himself, not the torturer. It was one of the most interesting books I ever read. For instance, they said that threatening to kill people was totally useless, because people who think they're going to be killed just turn into zombies. What you want is to make the subject into a blubbering baby, because then he'll talk. After five days with no sleep, women laughing at you naked, weird noises and non-stop screaming, you can't wait for the nice-cop interrogator to say, "They made you do it, didn't they? You didn't want to hurt anyone, did you? Tell us all about it." When the blubbering baby spills the names, you go collect the people he fingered and do the same to them. It's all standard stuff. Which raises another question: how come it's not working? Let's face it, it's not. In fact I have to say that the Iraqi insurgents are so much more effective than I ever thought they'd be I can hardly believe it. Do any of you out there realize how damn hard it is to set off a bomb on a residential street and kill only the enemy, not a dozen of your own civilians? That's what they've been doing, every damn day.

There's only one way to pull off a string of successes like that, and O'Reilly nailed it in one of his shows a couple weeks ago: you have to have the backing of 100% of the local civilian population.
So here's the other big truth we have to deal with: we invaded Iraq. We didn't come to bring them democracy or Big Gulps or Get Smart reruns or whatever. We invaded their country and occupied their cities and put their old enemies in power, just because we were pissed off after 9/ll and it seemed like a good way to let off steam and corner the market on some cheap oil while we were at it. We weren't there to liberate anybody, and we shouldn't have expected the whole rose-petal parade treatment. So what it comes down to, as usual, is that nobody in the country wants to tell the truth. You whiny, snotty liberals don't want to face the fact that torture is a central part of CI warfare, and you dumbass, gullible neocons won't face the fact that we invaded Iraq, and invaders generate insurgencies. We faced that fact in Afghanistan, treated the locals like enemies, and won their respect. We went up to the Afghans [Iraqis?] with brass knuckles on one hand and a bouquet in the other -- and we wonder why they don't love us.

When you lie to other people, it can work. When you lie to yourself, you pay. We're going to be paying a long, long time.


It is refreshing to hear someone just say it like it is, no BS, no illusions.
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Re: Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby TITAN » Sat 18 Nov 2006, 21:24:34

Tom Clancy contributes to the dumbing-down of society...

I would rather read the bible, (which is pretty bad)...
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Re: Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby zoidberg » Sat 18 Nov 2006, 22:53:08

I've now read a lot of his stuff. He is usually right, and even more shocking, agrees with just about everything I think. Having said that he really, REALLY, needs to hire a prostitute. I mean he's so corked up, its making him crazy.

Now, on topic, Tom Clancy really sounds like a piece of work. But the war nerd makes a reference to buying a warlordship somewhere in Africa or Central Asia instead of buying sports teams. Clearly, if he had hundreds of millions of dollars, its a good bet he'd buy a rich guy house in LA, get some servants and complain about tax laws.

Quite frankly so would I, as I dont think being a warlord in a failed state is nearly as fun as might be imagined. What with the assasination attempts, rival warlords invading etc...


Point being the analysis is right on, and his self analysis is probably too, but the man has problems. BIG ONES. So try to ignore the self loathing and the manic depressive mood swings and you'll learn a lot.

I can almost see the overweight, non hygenic lunatic waving his arms at co-workers trying to make them see the truth. Funny, funny stuff. Even funnier because he IS right.

My half-assed endorsement.
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Re: Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 18 Nov 2006, 23:07:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', ' ')
Now, on topic, Tom Clancy really sounds like a piece of work. But the war nerd makes a reference to buying a warlordship somewhere in Africa or Central Asia instead of buying sports teams. Clearly, if he had hundreds of millions of dollars, its a good bet he'd buy a rich guy house in LA, get some servants and complain about tax laws.
I think it's a safe bet that he was being ironic there. I'm most of the way through the whole collection of articles. amazing stuff, it's kept my attention for the past couple days. I got a kick out of the stuff on the Putin remark about African cannibalism. All the PC Westerners were outraged, but it's true. heh heh.

Putin's Congo Roast

A couple more examples of war nerd prose:
on the assassination of Rafik Hariri:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')omebody blew up the ex-President of the country with a suicide Buick.

on Lebanese Democracy:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')heir motto is "One detonator, one vote."
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Re: Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 18 Nov 2006, 23:55:54

Brecher- Am alternately screaming with laughter and throwing up. The mark of a good writer.

His article on African cannibalism, is sublime. I had devout evangelical friends in Spain who told me that many Africans were overjoyed to be converted to monotheism, as their lives were a misery of black magic. And not just in wartime. These are very oppressive forces and practices even in the day to day of peace time.
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Re: Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby zoidberg » Sat 18 Nov 2006, 23:56:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', ' ')
Now, on topic, Tom Clancy really sounds like a piece of work. But the war nerd makes a reference to buying a warlordship somewhere in Africa or Central Asia instead of buying sports teams. Clearly, if he had hundreds of millions of dollars, its a good bet he'd buy a rich guy house in LA, get some servants and complain about tax laws.
I think it's a safe bet that he was being ironic there. I'm most of the way through the whole collection of articles. amazing stuff, it's kept my attention for the past couple days. I got a kick out of the stuff on the Putin remark about African cannibalism. All the PC Westerners were outraged, but it's true. heh heh.


Well the reason he's entertaining is because he is so brutally honest. So I believe him when he says stuff like that.
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Re: Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 01:53:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', '
')Well the reason he's entertaining is because he is so brutally honest. So I believe him when he says stuff like that.
well I've read a lot of instances where he is obviously tongue-in-cheek ironic. Like when he said the only Russian woman he's ever seen is Natasha of Rocky and Bullwinkle. :lol: don't forget that he's having fun as well as doing the educational sharing of his vast knowledge of war, past and present. Some folks don't even believe that he's some schlub living in Fresno. I do buy that part though, but who knows, he's an unknown.
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Re: Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 12:57:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')hatever, he sure writes well,


I agree. Great stuff. I look forward to his columns.

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Re: Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 13:23:20

There are a number of Iraq War commentaries embedded in this collection. They bring a clarity to the situation that I haven't found anywhere else. The thing is, when you've read them it's like, "well sure, obviously!" plus you learn things you may not have known about because Brecher reads everything and has a background to pick up on the telling stuff:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here was a good BBC story about the rumors running around Iraq about the GIs. Like that their sunglasses are X-ray vision to see underneath the women's clothes. It may sound stupid to us, but they don't know any better. Then there's the rumor that GI's kevlar vests are air-conditioned. If you've ever worn one of these things, you know how ridiculous that is. They're one of the hottest things you'll ever wear. But the locals believe it. The foreigners have these AC vests and meanwhile they cut our power so we have to sweat all day!

The guerrillas spread these rumors as fast as they can. When everybody hates the liberating troops enough, the killings start picking up speed. Every day another GI gets picked off. And the way they do it makes our guys even madder.


The time for the Bush Team to get smart and do it right was years ago. The Brits tried to tell Bush to keep the Iraqi Army intact. They've got experience enough to know. Maybe this new tactic of bribing Iraqis to save the day themselve will work, but my guess now is it's finished. And when we get out, things will not get better. Already Al Qaeda is running western Pakistan, taking over in Somalia. Then Iran gets the Iraqi oilfields in the south. What a mess. Gee, if only we had Al Gore as president. I'm sure he would have gotten it right. . .
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Re: Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 19 Nov 2006, 14:28:18

meanwhile, here's some more choice stuff if you aren't sold already:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')omb-making is one of those jobs where you don't really learn from your mistakes. Your mistakes usually go off in your face, and they have to scrape you off the walls with a spatula and slide you into a Hefty bag at the funeral. I've read in soldiers' stories from Ulster how when some dumb IRA mick got the red and green wires mixed up and blew himself into guacamole, the Brits used to call it an "own goal" -- scoring against yourself in soccer.


Or this one on Libya turning away from Pan-Arabism, after being used by Sadat, to Pan-Africanism.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his had the black Africans laughing so hard they turned blue, because the coast of Libya used to be the world's biggest WalMart in the trade in black Africans. Introduce a Libyan to a black man and instead of shaking hands, he'll pry the guy's mouth open, check out his teeth and say, "75 dinars, not a shekel more!"


on North Korea:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut I got faith in North Korea, absolute faith that they aren't woofing and mean every crazy world-ending word they say. One of these days they'll get sick of trying to get UN rice deliveries by threats alone, and they'll draw us into a war we don't want. They've tried every provocation known to humankind, including grabbing a US spy vessel from international waters and daring us to grab it back (which we didn't, another disgusting climbdown) and wiping out the whole South Korean cabinet on its state visit to Burma. They must be fed up with us by now, like a slut who's tried everything to get the boyfriend excited and finally just has to rip his dick out and start sucking. That's Kim's line: "Me so War-howny!" And Bush just going, "Well uh I think you misoverestimate me, darlin'."


heh heh: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')oodrow Wilson was an impressive guy, kind of like Jimmy Carter with testicles.
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Re: Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby Battle_Scarred_Galactico » Mon 20 Nov 2006, 09:43:21

If you don't like your information sugar coated (and you shouldn't), hes' a must read in my opinion.

Sure he seems a bit crazy, but he refuses to bullshit anyone and knows his stuff inside out.
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Re: Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Mon 20 Nov 2006, 11:13:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e invaded their country and occupied their cities and put their old enemies in power, just because we were pissed off after 9/ll and it seemed like a good way to let off steam and corner the market on some cheap oil while we were at it.


How a guy can be so on-the-mark with so many things, yet completely misread this one fact is unbelieveable. His anti-hardware bias really shows through right here.

He correctly identifies the US military's dependance on hardware, and it's ineffectiveness against guerillas, but fails to see it's necessity as a balance against other hardware armies, and that all of that hardware needs gas.

In short, he's underestimated the importance of oil, and it impacts negatively on his analysis. I'm kind of surprised nobody here of all places finds that worth of mention.
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Re: Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 20 Nov 2006, 11:29:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e invaded their country and occupied their cities and put their old enemies in power, just because we were pissed off after 9/ll and it seemed like a good way to let off steam and corner the market on some cheap oil while we were at it.


How a guy can be so on-the-mark with so many things, yet completely misread this one fact is unbelieveable. His anti-hardware bias really shows through right here.

He correctly identifies the US military's dependance on hardware, and it's ineffectiveness against guerillas, but fails to see it's necessity as a balance against other hardware armies, and that all of that hardware needs gas.

In short, he's underestimated the importance of oil, and it impacts negatively on his analysis. I'm kind of surprised nobody here of all places finds that worth of mention.
true he doesn't say much about oil. In fact, in 105 acticles (saw the new one come out yesterday) I only saw him mention it once: it was something about how wait and see the wars and the mess when the oil runs out. Can't remember which article it was. (actually, he also mentioned it when talking about the Ibo and Biafra, but that was not speaking of shortages)
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Re: Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby Chuckmak » Mon 20 Nov 2006, 12:58:16

LOL

Clancy is one of the top novelists of our time. I just finished reading "The Bear and the Dragon" and that along w/ "The Teeth of the Tiger" were spectacular reads. Too bad we don't have Jack Ryan as the Prez for real. That's my opinion.
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Re: Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Mon 20 Nov 2006, 13:23:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chuckmak', 'C')lancy is one of the top novelists of our time.


Yeah, and "Survivor" is one of the most popular TV shows of our time. That doesn't make it good.
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Re: Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby Chuckmak » Mon 20 Nov 2006, 13:48:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chuckmak', 'C')lancy is one of the top novelists of our time.


Yeah, and "Survivor" is one of the most popular TV shows of our time. That doesn't make it good.


So Clancy novels aren't good in your eyes. I'm not going to argue about it, we'll just have to agree to disagree. My 3 favorite authors are Clancy, Robert Ludlum, and Bob Mayer (Robert Doherty). They make books that I like to read. Perfect? They have their slip ups but the positives outweigh the negatives, in my opinion.

BTW Survivor is one of the worst TV shows of all time in my opinion.
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Re: Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby threadbear » Mon 20 Nov 2006, 15:22:38

I've only heard Clancy's name. I'm assuming he's an author of pulp fiction? As an author, that's where the money is, unfortunately. People will pay someone to write entertaining, suspenceful novels for them that are pretty much devoid of meaningful content. And that's okay, if they balance that off with learning online or reading a high quality newspaper (almost an oxymoron, nowadays).

The problem with modern genre righting is there are few people who write great fiction, incorporating social or geo-political commentary. Tom Wolfe--Bonfire of the Vanities, did this and in his time, Charles Dickens managed to do the same. Suspence, a sense of mystery and a well developed and clear plot line are absolutely essential to hold an individual's interest. They are also elements of style that many modern writers disdain. Modern authors prefer dreary self obsessed neurotic protagonists, steeped in mundanities that overwhelm weak and often absurd plotlines. Absurd plot lines are "quirky and charming" but appeals to honest emotion and compassion delivered through a believable plot line are "sentimental" and to be avoided at all cost.

Confessions of an Economic Hitman is a great book, written to educate, but in an entertaining, almost pulpy style. If it had been written as a series of essays and given a toned down title, it would be languishing on book shelves, but became a best seller instead. Not a great work of literature, but people loved it, and they were educated at the same time.

Chuckmac, If you read mainly for entertainment, you would probably really enjoy this book. You should take a look at the writer, Tom Wolfe too.
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Re: Tom Clancy is the Enemy

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Mon 20 Nov 2006, 16:42:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chuckmak', 'S')o Clancy novels aren't good in your eyes.


I didn't say that. I was just pointing out that something being popular doesn't necessarily mean it's "good".

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I')'ve only heard Clancy's name.


If you aren't familiar with his books, you would probably be at least familiar with the film adaptations of some of them. It was hard living through the 90's without seeing at least one:

]The Hunt for Red October
The Sum of All Fears
Clear and Present Danger
Patriot Games

I'm sure there are others, but those are the only ones I have actually seen.
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