[mercurygirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')he comments in this forum remind me of why I am so glad I discovered this web site, and explain why I've hung around here so long.

[mercurygirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreebeardsUncle', 'T')he fundamental values of this country are not freedom and justice; they are separation, possession, competition, and profit in that order. That should help explain what you see in the landscape when you combine it with the ersatz indulgences of an impatient, materialistic, and belligerant populace.

[oowolf]

G. M. Hopkins nailed it with this poem: 'Binsey Poplars'

http://www.bartleby.com/122/19.html

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '.')..California has become a giant sewer.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '.')..They're moving here to "experience the wonders of nature" by building a $2million "rustic style" McMansion in the middle of a pristene wilderness...the population increase is much less concerning to the locals than the California attitudes and behaviors...

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'T')he attitude thing has to be a major annoyance, but who sold them the land, and who built the "rustic McMansions" for them? Who gets the two million bucks per McMansion?

This sort of thing happens all over, and the "indigenous population" always gripes, but they do take the money, don't they?

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'F')or my part I think it's high time that congress authorized the building of a fence around California.

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'a') resort, an 18-hole golf course and up to 3,700 homes to be built on the mountain's lower third and adjacent areas.

[mercurygirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oowolf', 'G'). M. Hopkins nailed it with this poem: 'Binsey Poplars'

http://www.bartleby.com/122/19.html

[gnm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', ' ')(And then bitch like hell when a forest fire burns down their house or a cougar eats their dog.) I think the population increase is much less concerning to the locals than the California attitudes and behaviors that come along with them.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'a') resort, an 18-hole golf course and up to 3,700 homes to be built on the mountain's lower third and adjacent areas.

[The_sky_is_falling]

My father was born in Papua New Guinea which remains one of the most primitive places in the world (some of the tribes there wont even notice PO, seriously... they wont).

Anyway, my father was sent to Australia along with his brothers and sisters to do boarding school. He went back to PNG as an Electrical Engineer but ended up in the logging industry. Not as a labourer but actually running the companies as the GM. He made a lot of money tearing down tropical rainforests in many pacific islands to supply timber to the world but he eventually couldnt bring himself to keep doing it because he saw the devistation he was doing. So he quit (I was 8 or so at the time) and he sat me down to answer my question as to why he no longer worked for the company. He told me about his childhood catching food and playing with his friends, living with nature. He was really sad... not just because of the forest he had helped destroy but because even though he stopped it didnt mean the logging would.

Unfortunately my father has never stopped chasing the money and to this day he is chasing "the BIG fish" in Hong Kong although he has since lost his fortune thru some bad reinvestment of earnings.

Anyway I have a very different outlook on PO than alot of people. I think PO may actually save the planet from the lethal bacteria that is human beings. We cant help ourselves but to consume and destroy. It seems to be in our nature to seek short term pleasures at the expense of the future. PO will not wipe out humans but it will control the damage that they can inflict on our planet.

Try this...

Close your eyes and imagine for a second what the planet would look like if oil had never been found....

Beautiful isnt it!

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_sky_is_falling', '
')Try this...

Close your eyes and imagine for a second what the planet would look like if oil had never been found....

Beautiful isnt it!

[Heineken]

Yeah, those pristine beaches and virgin forests were real grubby. Ditto for the native tribes living in perfect harmony with their environments. Such grubby, inferior people!

And Gary, Indiana, is paradise.

[holmes]

That is some truth in there Pstarr! I really have very little compassion for the industrial outdoorsman. Its all about utilitarian. needs not wants. They do not blend in and maintian what they seek. They parasitize it and create hell holes. Humans are really vile and nasty deep down inside in general. If they werent it be a pleasant place aesthetically. Now you have to drive in most places hundreds of miles to see anything close to beautiful. Im still ok tho. for now. The yuppies are coming over now to have their 5 acre winery and farm. With a freaking mcmansion! Weird.

[holmes]

Ha I didnt think of it like that! What an abomination!