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Money the Master

Unread postby NEOPO » Mon 30 Oct 2006, 21:08:39

Ok folks after some reading, watching and learning I wanted to start the Money thread.
Here are 3 items that I think reveal the true nature of what we call money.

Money Masters <--- Link

America - Freedom to Fascism <--Link

#149 The Endangered US Dollar <---Link

I am now wondering how all of this sits with those who wish to perceive america alone in her economic struggles.
If it crashes then you better believe it crashed when "they" were ready for it to crash and yes it will probably be a world wide event this time.
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby PrairieMule » Mon 30 Oct 2006, 21:22:05

I watched the 15 min intro clip Russo's documentary, the flick will have broad appeal to many.
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 31 Oct 2006, 12:15:17

Freedom to fascism is mandatory viewing IMHO and Money masters should be viewed prior to watching FREEDOM TO FASCISM as it explains much of what occurred previously.
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby NEOPO » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 12:16:03

bump?
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby Polemic » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 13:37:04

The Money Masters is a superb film, and I've been trying to get everyone I can to watch it since I first saw it a few weeks ago.

But one crucial point is not explicitly made in the documentary:

"International" = Jewish
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby NEOPO » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 13:46:51

You mean "zionist" dont you?
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby gampy » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 05:47:32

Just finished watching America: Freedom to Fascism.

Interesting. I am soooo turning into a conspiracy theorist. Damn you all! My little fantasy of personal freedom and the pursuit of happiness is shattered! Oh, the horror.

Seriously, good film. I recommend it, if not for the content, then the style. He's much better at this than Michael Moore, or Alex Jones.

I think he is closer to the mark than anything I have seen so far. I think it's good that he leaves it up to the viewer to research farther than the Federal Reserve.

God, I have been scanning the internets for mention of central banking, the Bank of International Settlements, the Rothschild's, Nazi money laundering, and now Fema concentration camps.

Just out of curiosity, I scanned for mention of the Bank of Canada. Another central bank that is pretty much set up the same as the Fed. I imagine all the central banks that are members of BIS are set up the same. Quasi-private.

It's hard to see who the real villains are. Damn, this is one big onion. So many layers.
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 10:52:38

Yes.....and to think that just a few months ago I thought Peak Oil was the big red pill................
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby jupiters_release » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 11:53:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'Y')es.....and to think that just a few months ago I thought Peak Oil was the big red pill................


Money masters has been posted many times over a year now on this forum, why so late to catch on?
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby sciencegirl » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 14:15:27

Those evil bankers are soooooo....vile. If they just gave all the money to ME, the world would be a much better place. :)
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby Novus » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 14:22:44

So the US government can eliminate its debts by nationalizing the corporation know as the "Federal Reserve."

This will restore wealth to the people in a Marxist sort of way.
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby gampy » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 14:27:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sciencegirl', 'T')hose evil bankers are soooooo....vile. If they just gave all the money to ME, the world would be a much better place. :)


Bankers are human, too, you know.

They are rats in a cage, just like us. They feed the paradigm like all of us do.

I don't think their are a handful of men, wearing black robes, sitting at a table in Switzerland
rubbing their hands and saying..."Muuahaaahhahahaha!!!".

But I could be wrong. Truth is often stranger than fiction.
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 14:29:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'S')o the US government can eliminate its debts by nationalizing the corporation know as the "Federal Reserve."

This will restore wealth to the people in a Marxist sort of way.


It won't make a damn bit of difference to us mere mortals. The only thing that will change is the building in which the printing presses are located. Except the "international" bankers won't be getting their tithe.

And we all know what happens to a country that stops paying a Kosher tax.
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby Polemic » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 17:35:52

Y'all know that Henry Ford was writing about this very thing almost a century ago:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Jew Watch's Preface
"The International Jew"
by Henry Ford

The International Jew by Henry Ford caused a sensation when it was first published. The book of sixteen chapters loaded with interesting facts represents a gauntlet tossed upon the floor by the first inventor of the assembly line, a man whose company was as personal to him as a wife or child to most men.

When this esteemed industrialist discovered that elitists who were Jewish were conspiring against him and others and who were bent on owning everything in the world that non-Jews had created he was determined to undermine their efforts. Mr. Ford's investigators determined that these Jewish bankers and speculators had aided in the cause of the Depression, triggering it to force the buyout of the world's industries for pennies on the dollar. Now, they were conspiring to take away his own company using laws which they had paid corrupt politicians to legislate and with their fake, paper money, which they printed and controlled for many governments across the world and in the American nation as well, and he decided that Americans ought stop it.

Mr. Ford decided to investigate the Jewish Conspiracies, further than almost any man in history, and the subversive activities which he soon discovered was worse than he had thought. The word at large as a part of a massive movement including a Unpublished Jewish-Bolshevik-Marxist-Zionist-Internationalist-Banker's Plot to take over much of the known world--both free and non-free.


http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-gentile-ford-the_international_jew.html
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby mmasters » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 19:12:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'S')o the US government can eliminate its debts by nationalizing the corporation know as the "Federal Reserve."

This will restore wealth to the people in a Marxist sort of way.


It won't make a damn bit of difference to us mere mortals. The only thing that will change is the building in which the printing presses are located. Except the "international" bankers won't be getting their tithe.

And we all know what happens to a country that stops paying a Kosher tax.

It would make a big difference and that's the problem. It's why leaders like Lincoln and Caesar were so beloved and then assassinated.

Although I'm certain if the FED was nationalized we'd just as soon be the target of isolation from world markets causing economic chaos, or a global depression would ensue triggered by the IMF, World Bank, BOE, et al... It would happen because aside from the FED there's a world-wide network of central banks that has no intent on going anywhere. They will resort to war, deception, assassination, class destruction, and any other means to survive. They would surely attempt to make the private termination of the FED appear as if it was the economic crime of the century.
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 19:39:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'D')o you even have an idea what you're talking about?


Yes, as a matter of fact, I have a very good idea what I'm talking about.

If the government is the one printing the dollars, then the government is the one stealing from the people by debasing the currency instead of a cabal of international bankers.

Does it make a difference to the proles? No. It doesn't matter who's robbing them, they are still being robbed.

Does it matter to the government? Apparently so. They absolutely DO NOT want the responsibility.

Does it matter to the international bankers? You're damn right it does. As you seem to be implying (though your targets are all wrong. If you want to look at someone who may have been assasinated for trying to break up the banking cartel, try JFK), they are more than willing to kill anyone who interferes with their theft.
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby mmasters » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 20:20:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '
')If the government is the one printing the dollars, then the government is the one stealing from the people by debasing the currency instead of a cabal of international bankers.

While this could happen to some extent it's a blanket statement and I disagree. If the government issues credits just enough to keep trade moving everything would be fine. Without a debt based currency there is no drive to print boatloads of money to benefit a private few in terms of large amounts of interest and there is no federal income tax needed to service the debt.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')oes it matter to the government? Apparently so. They absolutely DO NOT want the responsibility.

Eh, the current government doesn't want responsibility in general. But whatever, running a credit based money system wouldn't allow them to just issue bonds endlessly and carelessly take out debt like they currently do and inflate the money system (or effectively tax the public) as a result. They wouldn't be able to be as fat, careless and well funded as they are now. They would have to be more responsible in general. Is it any guess why they don't want things to change?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')oes it matter to the international bankers? You're damn right it does. As you seem to be implying (though your targets are all wrong. If you want to look at someone who may have been assasinated for trying to break up the banking cartel, try JFK)

Nope, got it backwards. The JFK federal reserve connection conspiracy is bunk. Lincoln issued greenbacks and was hated for it by the international bankers. Similarly with Ceasar he empowered the people away from a debt based system.
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 21:20:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'E')h, the current government doesn't want responsibility in general. But whatever, running a credit based money system wouldn't allow them to just issue bonds endlessly and carelessly take out debt like they currently do and inflate the money system (or effectively tax the public) as a result. They wouldn't be able to be as fat, careless and well funded as they are now. They would have to be more responsible in general. Is it any guess why they don't want things to change?


They most certainly could and would. Don't believe it? Look at any central bank in Europe. They are all fiat issuing banks, controlled by the countries in question. Virtually every country on earth operates a fiat currency scheme. They all inflate their currencies, and they all steal from their citizens to do it.

The ONLY reason the US is different is because it's the world reserve currency. They can print as many dollars as they want, and until very recently, they could be virtually garenteed to have those dollars absorbed into other countries' banks.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')oes it matter to the international bankers? You're damn right it does. As you seem to be implying (though your targets are all wrong. If you want to look at someone who may have been assasinated for trying to break up the banking cartel, try JFK)

Nope, got it backwards. The JFK federal reserve connection conspiracy is bunk. Lincoln issued greenbacks and was hated for it by the international bankers. Similarly with Ceasar he empowered the people away from a debt based system.


You do know that the Federal Reserve Act was passed in 1913, 48 years AFTER Lincoln was assassinated, right?

Don't get me wrong here, I'm as ready to expose the Rothschilds as the next person, but if they were really behind the assassination of Lincoln, they screwed it up pretty badly.
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 23:00:48

DT - You sound like someone who did not watch money masters thoroughly.

How can you honestly say that all of these countries own/control their central banks?

How many americans will learn the truth by watching Aaron russo's film?
Wha? the italians/germans/french et al are "smarter" then americans er something? ;-)

Federal means government right? hahahah wrong!!

IRS agents looking for a law that doesnt exist eheheheh thats good stuff right there yet it doesnt seem to have the impact on others that it does on me......
This should tell us that alot of people can be led to believe something that may be completely false..... yet we already knew that didnt we?

and yes I think "they" had many reasons to kill kennedy but only one real reason to kill Lincoln.
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Re: Money the Master

Unread postby mmasters » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 23:03:55

Dreamtwister:

I'm confused as to what you're responding to in my posts. I have no argument that most countries carry a fiat system. However I suggested a public credit based fiat instead of a private debt based fiat. There is a serious difference.

Just as our government can issue a bond out of thin air why not issue a dollar bill instead? Creating currency instead of a debt IOU upfront? The difference between the two lies in the benefit - the debt benefits the money lenders while the currency benefits the people. I'll be happy to elaborate further on this if need be.

And what does the federal reserve act being passed 48 years after lincoln got shot have to do with anything? After the Civil War was the Post Civil War Depression, followed by a series of recessions/ depressions up until 1913. Almost 50 years of relatively tough times my friend, people wanted a difference and they got sold a bill of goods a couple days before Christmas in 1913.
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