[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '
')Demand? No.

Permit? Yes.

[PenultimateManStanding]

BTW, AgentR, your posts are very satisfying and welcome, not just to me but to others here as well. Carlhole is usually pretty reasonable, most of the time, I find. But it is so obvious that Popular Mechanics and others have raised the burden of proof too high to be dismissed. There are clearly distortions and wilfull blindness to them on the part of the 911 truthers. The Jim Fetzer presentation shows this sort of thing immediately. The Pentagon comes out with a statement about lack of evidence tying OBL to 911. So Fetzer then says, if it wasn't OBL, then who was it? Such shoddy thought processes permeate the whole thing. (Fetzer also says little tip-off lines like OBL is supposed to have accomplished this "from a cave" as if he didn't know that OBL fled to his cave after the US invasion of Afghanistan) We have had our own expert opinion here from AirlinePilot on the scrambling issue, but it just gets dismissed by those who have already made up their minds it was an inside job.

[emailking]

I'll accept airline pilot as an expert on things like pressure readings and the significance of deviations in a computer simulation, but not on the scrambling procedures for military jets.

[mmasters]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', ' ')That human consciousness can be reduced to or understood as physics is also impossible, by this theory.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', ' ')That human consciousness can be reduced to or understood as physics is also impossible, by this theory.

[PolestaR]

AgentR, Gideon and PMS are the reason society is failing. PMS comes across as some ex-hippy who smoked too much drugs and fell on this whole doom thing as an OBE (no offense, I'm perceptive ).

Anyone who thinks they KNOW when to use faith and when not is an idiot. Let me explain, when you have faith in something you have stopped learning about that particular thing. If you don't , you have no faith. So when someone says "I have faith in god" that means that's it... the book of learning is closed. You have accepted something without evidence or logic, or even in this case gone against evidence and logic to believe in whichever god you do (all of the big 3 religions are illogical and have little evidence supporting them but a lot disproving).

Such a waste of resources, really, people like this. They think they can come to a scientific or mostly rational forum like this and blend in and be a part of something REAL. YOURE OF A DIFFERENT ILK, GO BACK TO FAIRY LAND. Let us hell dwellers get there faster and go talk to some idiots somewhere else you can convert.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'A')gentR, Gideon and PMS are the reason society is failing.

[emailking]

"Emailking, please save the "I am an expert and you are not" approach to arguing that might impress weak minded people who think sitting through "2 years of general relativity" makes you an authority on God."

Gideon, stop putting words in my mouth. It makes me an authority on whether or not the universe creating itself by time travel is a laughable position. This is what I said and you know it.

"Emailking, for the purposes of this argument, I agree that the Big Bang occurred. And, if you insist, I'll agree it occurred at 10 to the negative 78.4 milliseconds! Or whatever the other guy with the PhD in physcis says is correct."

So why you spent three posts trying to argue that it didn 't or that it somehow erases all need for religious explanation is beyond me.

"My conclusion is unchanged. If you can't explain why it occurred, then your position is entirely faith based."

Nonsense.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', '
') 1 - Inconsistencies in evidence are often the best proof we ever have of wrongdoing.

[PolestaR]

I'm expecting the video to be released today to coincide with the elections. Where is the place we can refresh to see the news today?

[emailking]

Unbelievable.

http://www.infowars.net/articles/novemb ... n_tape.htm

The government is reneging on its promise to release this video by last Thursday. They need "more time" before they will release this video.

[mmasters]

Interesting... seems since TBTB decided to back out on supporting the repubs this time around the propaganda favoring them was withheld.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', 'T')hey need "more time" before they will release this video.

[dukey]

Oh look another video showing, or rather NOT showing any plane hitting the pentagon. Do you see a giant 747 crashing into it ? Sure the video is shit quality, but even so perhaps u would see something as big as a 747 ? If the government wanted to crush the conspiracy theories they are doing a rather lame job at it. What about the video footage from like the 50 security cameras on the front of the pentagon ?

[flash width=425 height=350]http://www.youtube.com/v/gIw9jrOhT8w[/flash]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... 1507751455

[mmasters]

The plane must be "cloaked"

[NEOPO]

all ya gotta do is paint it sky blue and walla!

<sarcasm off>

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'D')o you see a giant 747 crashing into it ?

[Madpaddy]

rogerhb wrote,

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')obody seriously claims one did. It was a 757.

[Zardoz]

Excuse me? Something smells really bad about this:

The DEA wants the military to take a larger role in stopping the drug trade, which experts say finances the insurgency.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Pentagon, engaged in a difficult fight to defeat a resurgent Taliban in Afghanistan, has resisted entreaties from U.S. anti-narcotics officials to play an aggressive role in the faltering campaign to curb the country's opium trade.

Military units in Afghanistan largely overlook drug bazaars, rebuff some requests to take U.S. drug agents on raids and do little to counter the organized crime syndicates shipping the drug to Europe, Asia and, increasingly, the United States, according to officials and documents...

...Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld has said that Afghanistan's flourishing opium trade is a law enforcement problem, not a military one. It would be "mission creep" if the 21,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan were to turn their attention to opium, and it would also set a precedent for future combat operations, military officials say.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said Afghanistan's police forces and British troops in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization peacekeeping operation have the primary responsibility for fighting the Afghan drug problem.

Military officials also fear that cracking down on opium traffickers could alienate the Afghan people and warlords who profit from the trade. An estimated one-eighth of the population is involved in poppy cultivation, and the opium trade is one-third of the country's economy.