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Who really needs to apologize to our troops?

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Re: Who really needs to apologize to our troops?

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 02 Nov 2006, 10:38:13

Does anyone actually LIKE the farcical two-party system in the US?

Christ! It's like the Mommy party and the Daddy party. HA!

I'm for a parlimentarian system where we could have multiple parties, preferably around 5 major ones. Any party is viable as long as it can muster at 5% of the vote.

Let's have":

--The Fascists - Corporate power tightly allied with Big Brother!
--The Socialists - National Health Care!
--The Libertarians - Fuck government. Legalize drugs!!
--The Environmentalists - Peak Oil, global warming, renewables...
--Fundamentalists - Mandatory daily bible spankings!

I wonder what would happen to our hackneyed Left/Right paradigm after THAT?
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Re: Who really needs to apologize to our troops?

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 02 Nov 2006, 11:26:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')--The Fascists - Corporate power tightly allied with Big Brother!
--The Socialists - National Health Care!
--The Libertarians - Fuck government. Legalize drugs!!
--The Environmentalists - Peak Oil, global warming, renewables...
--Fundamentalists - Mandatory daily bible spankings!

Oh, yeah, that would be such an improvement...

(How much of a say in what goes on do you figure the Environmentalists would have?)
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Re: Who really needs to apologize to our troops?

Unread postby gego » Thu 02 Nov 2006, 11:55:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', '.')..have some fun exercising your intellect...

So name-calling is "exercising intellect"?

Exercise yours. Describe your ideal no-voting society. Please explain in detail how that would work. You've done a lot of venom-spewing, but I can't seem to find anything in your posts about what sort of alternative to our current tattered, bedraggled system you would suggest.

Also, please also explain how things would not be very different if PNAC-inspired Neocons had remained on the fringes, with no real power, for the last six years.


What do you think would be the political reaction if nobody went to the polls at all? The politicians would be scared because they would know that nobody approved of them. At least we would all know where we stood. Do you really think that if you took out every Republican and the Democrats took over that we would have any less government? Do you think that if all Democrats lost their seats and the Republicans had total control that we would have less government?

You are like the monkey with his hand in the coconut like I described earlier because you are unwilling to let go of the little crumbs you have in order to escape the trap they have you in; my perception of your position is that you do not understand that government is the problem, not the solution, and that voting is approval of government. Would it not be better to eliminate government peacefully rather than wait until it is finally too late and the only alternative is violence?

So if I think you are a fool, should I keep it to myself, or maybe say it out loud to that you can judge my disdain for you foolishness? To me saying it out loud just adds emphasis to the conversation and makes it clear how I feel, unlike your post which implies the same thing of me, but which is slightly less direct. I think adding emotion to the conversation, if nothing else, makes it more real and less sterile.

The only problem with name calling is the people who take is seriously. What does it matter to you what some stranger you never met, nor will ever meet thinks about you or your value system?
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Re: Who really needs to apologize to our troops?

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 02 Nov 2006, 11:55:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')--The Fascists - Corporate power tightly allied with Big Brother!
--The Socialists - National Health Care!
--The Libertarians - Fuck government. Legalize drugs!!
--The Environmentalists - Peak Oil, global warming, renewables...
--Fundamentalists - Mandatory daily bible spankings!

Oh, yeah, that would be such an improvement...

(How much of a say in what goes on do you figure the Environmentalists would have?)


Oh excuse me... For those of you without a thinking apparatus, that is what is a called a tongue-in-cheek example.

If the US had Parliament, parties would evolve on their own according to the natural demand in the electorate You could limit the number of parties by upping the percentage requirement of popular vote needed to obtain seats in the Parliament.

No doubt, if we DID have a Parliament, a Labor party would exist which would have a thing or two to say about US manufacturing jobs dashing off to China, or illegal immigrants flooding the US with cheap, uneducated labor, burdening the taxpayers with welfare recipients.

A Libertarian Party would have a thing or two to say about the failed War on Drugs and the rampant incarceration rates in the US.
They would also have much to add about US foreign policy and the need to avoid entanglements like the War in Iraq.

I think there is enough interest and concern about Environmentalism to justify a unique party. Scientists worldwide talk about the mass de-speciation of the planet due to human activities, global warming is a frightening prospect gaining more and more attention; we, in this forum, need no education about the dire necessity of alternate clean energies...

None of these things gets good attention in Congress. The Beltway lives in a world far removed from the normal American lives. The Democrats/Republicans are really just a single party that has become a useless clusterfuck at the beck and call of corporate money, lobbyists and special interests.
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Re: Who really needs to apologize to our troops?

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 02 Nov 2006, 12:42:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', '.')..eliminate government...

Somalia.
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Re: Who really needs to apologize to our troops?

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 02 Nov 2006, 12:47:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '.')..that is what is a called a tongue-in-cheek example...

...that is absolutely dead-on. You've nailed it. That's how it would be.

Of course I knew you were kidding. Thing is, the real joke is that it would be the reality.
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Re: Who really needs to apologize to our troops?

Unread postby holmes » Thu 02 Nov 2006, 13:10:56

BOTH parties and all their henchmen need to b exterminated off the face of this planet. Communists need to be buried into the earths core. Then and only then might their be any peace and semblance of humanity. The neo classical economic theory need to be deleted with absolutely no trace left. The whole thing need to be rebooted with a new operating system that has never been seen or devised. Until then its all BULLSHIT! Communsit manifesto. anything with a fuxing manifesto is a worthless death trap. Remember Manifest destiny ya morons? jeez same ole same ole. The human race is a broken short term species. thats for sure. and insane!
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Re: Who really needs to apologize to our troops?

Unread postby PrairieMule » Thu 02 Nov 2006, 13:18:30

I think something everyone can agree on is that the troops are going to need are better Vet benefits. Benefits that took a lot of cuts a few years back. I think society will have to absorb a lot of battle fatigued and maimed troops in the next few years that we will see from the long deployments.

Doesn't matter if your senator or rep is Dem or Rep. I think which ever side we are on we can all call up our senators on representatives and demand the troops get them more help. We screwed up on sending them there with as Rumsfeld said "The Army we Have" that lacked body armor and armor for humvees. Looking ahead in the next year we as citizens should make sure "The System We Have" is adequate. Preparation and planning over future apoligies.

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Re: Who really needs to apologize to our troops?

Unread postby holmes » Thu 02 Nov 2006, 13:24:42

Im with u mule! I know several vets that arent getting squat! However worhtless welfare trash and illegals are getting new cars! and the corporations and their henchmen getting catre blanche! Bad mojo rising!
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Re: Who really needs to apologize to our troops?

Unread postby Lokutus » Thu 02 Nov 2006, 13:42:04

Iraq the new Katrina


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Re: Who really needs to apologize to our troops?

Unread postby PrairieMule » Thu 02 Nov 2006, 13:42:12

I'll be honest, I'm beyond putting my faith in a two party system. I say this as someone who has voted straight ticket republican since 1988. There are a lot more pissed off republicans this year with the party than I have ever seen before. I'm not talking about christians, I'm talking about NRA members. NRA members a vengful lot when a conservative strays for even one vote.

I think who ever gets into office needs a constant reminder that no all of us can be swayed by a television commercial paid for in a faustian deal with a lobbist (left or right).

Next tues I'm falling out of rank and voting independent and that's only doing the research and watching the debates buried in prime time televison on PBS. The only republican that might get my vote is Sen Kay Baily Hutchinson for a record thats low on pork and a fairly conservative record. On the flip side I might not, I have not forgotten how she has voted for hr6166 and the patriotact2.
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Re: Who really needs to apologize to our troops?

Unread postby Lokutus » Thu 02 Nov 2006, 13:50:54

GOPers get comedy
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Re: Who really needs to apologize to our troops?

Unread postby holmes » Thu 02 Nov 2006, 15:43:20

I know mule the Pork is what I despise! Its beyond surreal. Conservative has been usurped from the English language. I use the old dictionary definition. The new ones are complete and utter PC trash. Burn them. When words take political definitions you know Orwell is close at hand.
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Re: Who really needs to apologize to our troops?

Unread postby duke3522 » Thu 02 Nov 2006, 21:34:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', '
')It is hard to respond to another dumb fuck on this site. I did not say that we should keep the same people in power. You must have attended a government school where you learned to read.

I oppose both the Republicans and the Democrats, and all other rulers for that matter.

Why would you vote for an alternative set of people who promise to rule your life? Why not refuse to vote for anyone? What do you think would happen if nobody turned up at the polls?

If you are out here voting for either Democrats or Republicans you are partly responsible for the current state of affairs, and I consider you to be just another dumb ass who is getting what he has chosen.


Ah the personal attack. When logic fails always a good way to go.

Not voting is just a way of abrogating ones own responsibility for the clusterfuck mess were in. “Don’t blame me I didn’t vote for any of these assholes” is the call of those who like to sit around and bitch but are unwilling to attempt to do anything about the current situation.

What does the political class fear more than anything else in this country? That the lazy folk who don’t bother to inform themselves enough to cast an intelligent ballot suddenly decide to take back their political power and begin voting their best interests.

But You just keep sitting on the sidelines bitching and moaning about no choice between the parties, and saying that it doesn’t matter if I vote. That’s just what the political elite want and you are playing right into their hands.
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Re: Who really needs to apologize to our troops?

Unread postby seldom_seen » Fri 03 Nov 2006, 03:50:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', 'W')hat do you think would be the political reaction if nobody went to the polls at all?

Ohh, that would be something magical. My doomerosity would be adjusted downward 5-10 points. However, like cows herded in to the slaugtherhouse, off they will go to reaffirm the executioners.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', 'W')ould it not be better to eliminate government peacefully rather than wait until it is finally too late and the only alternative is violence?

Indeed it would. The current trajectory ends nowhere except violence, misery and further degradation of the human condition.

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