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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 10:39:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'P')late tectonics and asthenospheric displacement are not mutually exclusive.
yeah, but Atlantis sailing across the globe in a few thousand years isn't going to fly.
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 11:28:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'P')late tectonics and asthenospheric displacement are not mutually exclusive.
yeah, but Atlantis sailing across the globe in a few thousand years isn't going to fly.


No, but the asthenospheric displacement discussed in the OP's link is supported by ice core evidence. The 4 million year old ice only covers around 40% of the continent. The rest (the part covering lesser Antarctica) is only a few thousand years old.

We're not talking about a major shift here, it's only around 15 degrees off-axis, and that kind of displacement could easily happen over the course of months or even weeks.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', 'N')o time to read, to do your own research?
Only time for slammin’ a real good idea here?
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OK great, there's an island on Lake Vostok. Now, I'll reiterate. When you uncover some evidence of Atlantis, bring it here. For now, all I see is evidence of an island. I know it's silly of me, but going from "discovered an island" to "discovered atlantis" seems like a pretty big leap.

And in case you haven't noticed, I'm the one defending your theory.
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 12:19:02

The slide show has Atlantis moving from mid northern latitudes off of Spain to the South Pole in about 11,000 years due to some "displacement." This is impossible and has nothing to do with isostatic movement or sea level changes which clearly do happen. If Atlantis was off of Spain at 9600 BC, then it would still be there, sunk beneath the ocean and wouldn't have gone slip-sliding nearly half-way around the globe. sheesh! what people will buy into these days boggles the mind.
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 13:23:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', '
')Briefly this is one of the enigmas surrounding the Piri Reis map PMS. How is it possible that this map from around 1514 can show with accuracy the coastline of parts of Antarctica as though ice free when it was not ice free at that time?
The science to detect the coastline and confirm the accuracy was not accomplished till 1949.
Well PMS?
There's been about 40+ years of research to work out the past history of plate movements. As for Atlantis sailing nearly halfway around the world in recent times, believe it if you want to. Your enigmatic/mystery map is probably either a forgery or it is misinterpreted by the same kinds of folks who claim to have ancient Peruvian carvings of dinosaurs. There seems to be an awful lot of this pseudo-science foolishness going around these days. I thinks its all Art Bell's fault, heh heh.
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby NEOPO » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 13:39:20

Raph - I know it may be hard but could you wrap this up in a few paragraphs in laymans terms please?
By all means continue on with the other evidence you have yet at this time I just want to know "how" this occurred in simple terms please.

I enjoy rediscovering these theories and especially the extra dimension you are bringing to the table with symbolism etc etc.
PMS shows how science can be very wrong until someone admits it and takes another look yet in the same breath believes that taking another look is a waste of time ;-)

I mean - I admit some oil is abiotic yet it will not prevent PO and I came to this conclusion after reading a freaking ton of literature.
I wanted to believe abiotic oil theory and that PO was bunk so I was bias.

It is unsettling to believe the rapid plate movement theory thus most will choose to believe whatever they are comfortable believing.
Its the same for any serious subject with real world implications.

Peak oil is one of those subjects thus we get so many in denial or stages of rationalization.
Climate change which is related to this thread is also one of those subjects.

Yes I see a very real pattern here.
I see people who deny peak oil (or simply the decline rates or predicted ramifications et al) like RGR unable to face facts on issues like 911, climate change etc etc.
Strong opposition condensing from thin air??? hardly...how about deep seated beliefs based on little more then the limitations of the individual mind.

This is no coincidence.

Now how scary is it to believe that with just a little bit more melting we could see a massive displacement???
Oooooh yeah ...stuff nightmares are made of indeed.
So who is suprised that a theory like this would be met with serious opposition?
This aint funny ha ha you are crazy I dont believe you type shit no - this is you are wrong please try to understand you are wrong and heres my proof so please read it and understand cause you must be - gotta be - wrong!!! ;-)
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby NEOPO » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 13:49:01

answer my post please and pretend PMS is not here ;-)
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 14:15:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
')It is unsettling to believe the rapid plate movement theory thus most will choose to believe whatever they are comfortable believing.
Its the same for any serious subject with real world implications.
The study of plate movements has been refined and quantified. If you want to believe some lame-brain malarky about continental fragments sliding around the world in a few thousand years, suit yourself. It just seems like people who believe lizard people ETs control the world saying, "why can't you be more open minded? What's your problem anyway?" The problem with open-minded acceptance of any crackpot notion is that it is corrosive to sound thinking. Everything goes, any theory is as good as another. Its the end of the line for rational thought. And as I said earlier, there's an epidemic of absurd thinking in this day and age, that and a credulity that is really quite shocking. I was only half joking when I blamed it on Art Bell. Late night spooky tales and entertainment have been presented in a "is it real? you make up your own mind!" The effect has been a corrosion of the sense of reality.
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 14:25:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', '.')..Therefore Zardoz using your logic I must ask is there really any other corroborating source for Adam and Eve, Moses, or an entire host of characters ending with the Judaeo / Christian poster boy?

What’s his name again, this mutt who was thrown together as a one-size-fits all messiah? A wunderkind? The Torah is essentially the sole source of this myth...

I couldn't have put it more eloquently. Thanks.
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby NEOPO » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 15:00:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'a')nswer my post please and pretend PMS is not here ;-)


Agreed … until the man opens his mind, what’s the point.
There was a message in your above post that inspired me NEOPO.
I felt a vibration immediately as I read your post and that is always a good thing. It is usually either a confirmation or a reward...lol

I will be back with that response you seek ... but I already have a question for you ... in regards to abiotic oil.

What convinced you that there is such a thing occurring?
I have read nothing on the issue but as always I know there exists 2 camps of belief...what whispers of truth did you hear?

namaste

Raphael


Cool ;-)

abiotic oil - well like most things the way I came to my current position was not direct or immediate but rather fragmented and over time.
One of the first stones any peaker hurdles is abiotic oil theory.
Through it all I believe oil is being created both or in several ways.
I do believe that most oil has a.. biotic origin and that this source replenishes many times faster then abiotic oil yet still requires millions of years to do so.

One explanation that sidesteps yet still confirms the basic tenent of the abiotic oil theory is this:
We are discovering life in places that were previously thought to be void of life - we discovered an ameoba or something to that effect that lives in very high temp water and feeds off of sulphur gas!! wish I had a link to that ;-)

So - abiotic oil might be biotic oil that has no distinct marker yet still comes "from below".
Instead of allowing this unproven thought of mine to be my basis for disbelieving the equally unproven abiotic oil theory I will instead allow the two to coexist.
So thats 2 methods and 3 process's to make oil isnt it? Abiotic - biotic and sub biotic ;-)

and yeah if sub biotic could be conclusively proven then we may be able to subtract abiotic theory from the equation completely.

Heck I would like to hear a 4th or 5th explanation for oil's creation - wouldnt bother me at all....

Regardless of how many might see me - I try to keep an open mind usually ;-)

Do you know where all of this ultimately leads ?
Of course you do - right back to us and the problems we are facing today.
We can look back at history even ancient and obscure history and gleem a bit of truth from it.
There maybe a world of difference between us and our ancestors yet the parallels are impossible to deny.
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 19:33:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'a')nswer my post please and pretend PMS is not here ;-)
Look, I'm not engaging in any nastiness here about symbolism. Those pictures Raph posted are pretty. I like them. You, NEO, probably don't give a rat's ass about plate tectonics and whether it was possible for "Atlantis" to go skipping across the oceans like a pebble tossed by Hercules or Atlas. For you it's just an opportunity to boast how "open minded" you are because you will swallow junk science hook line and sinker. Repeat after me children, "sea floor spreading is usually around 2 centimeters per year." Very good! Now that's about an inch every twelve months boy and girls! It's very slow, isn't it? Yes little NEO? sure, just use the hall pass. Don't be gone for more than five minutes or you'll get a detention. Whose been smoking marijuana?
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 19:50:49

"Our current research involves hydrothermal and structural investigations along Earth’s fastest seafloor spreading center, the 28°S-32°S East Pacific Rise. The fastest present-day seafloor spreading, ~150 km/Myr, occurs along the Pacific-Nazca boundary between the Easter and Juan Fernandez microplates."

This works out to about 15 centimeters per year. That means that it takes about 600+ years to have enough new land at the bottom of the ocean to lay out a football field in the direction of the spreading.

No Junk Science, Please!
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby da23 » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 19:59:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'W')e are discovering life in places that were previously thought to be void of life - we discovered an ameoba or something to that effect that lives in very high temp water and feeds off of sulphur gas!! wish I had a link to that ;-)


How stoned are yooo, I got Coustau stuff from the 70's showing this it's nothing new :roll:

I'll u/l them if you like :wink:
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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 20:22:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', '
')I see 2 big problems here ... republican and jew.
Sorry...these are the 2 pillars that evidently you worship and from which you cannot stray.
First, I'm not a jew, Raph. Second, I'm not a Christian either. So get your facts straight, I've had to tell you this before. Must be the short-term memory problems. Now if you were as concerned to know about the amazing discoveries of Geology from the past half century as you were to spin you deludud theories you might actually feel like checking out of the Hotel Cracked Pot and into rehab.

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Re: Slide Show ... ATLANTIS = Antarctica

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 21:49:29

you shouldn't post this junk science crap, Raph, it detracts from the quality of our little forum. Stick to your cool symbolism stuff and stay away from Geology and Physics.
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