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R.I.P USA

Unread postby dukey » Tue 17 Oct 2006, 15:17:37

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Re: R.I.P USA

Unread postby holmes » Tue 17 Oct 2006, 15:41:34

The pathetic and rather humorous part is that these self loathing socialist commie types actually think THEY are the ones that are the saviors and if THEY were in POWER the USA would not go RIP. LOL! ROFLMAO! Ya just like all the other commie socialist systems worldwide! They are doing great! Yeah right. Go drink some more acid cool aid and STFU! You wouldnt be able to save yourself let alone a nation.
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Re: R.I.P USA

Unread postby AgentR » Tue 17 Oct 2006, 15:42:08

Signed, sealed, and delivered.
Excellent...

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Unread postby gego » Tue 17 Oct 2006, 16:04:47

Read how Hitler came to power, suspended the German Constitution, set up special Courts for enemies of the state, and became a dictator.

http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0403a.asp

It happened before, and it is happening now; you just don't have the benefit of hindsight yet to see the full impact of what is now being done in Washington DC.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
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The day after the fire, Hitler persuaded President Hindenburg to issue a decree entitled, “For the Protection of the People and the State.” Justified as a “defensive measure against Communist acts of violence endangering the state,” the decree suspended the constitutional guarantees pertaining to civil liberties:

"Restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press; on the rights of assembly and association; and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications; and warrants for house searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed."

Two weeks after the Reichstag fire, Hitler requested the Reichstag to temporarily delegate its powers to him so that he could adequately deal with the crisis. Denouncing opponents to his request, Hitler shouted, “Germany will be free, but not through you!” When the vote was taken, the result was 441 for and 84 against, giving Hitler the two-thirds majority he needed to suspend the German constitution. On March 23, 1933, what has gone down in German history as the “Enabling Act” made Hitler dictator of Germany, freed of all legislative and constitutional constraints.


And then to make it easy to bring enemies to trial:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Within a month, the Nazis had transferred jurisdiction over treason cases from the Supreme Court to a new People’s Court, which, as Shirer points out,

"soon became the most dreaded tribunal in the land. It consisted of two professional judges and five others chosen from among party officials, the S.S. and the armed forces, thus giving the latter a majority vote. There was no appeal from its decisions or sentences and usually its sessions were held in camera. Occasionally, however, for propaganda purposes when relatively light sentences were to be given, the foreign correspondents were invited to attend."

One of the Reichstag terrorist defendants, who had angered Goering during the trial with a severe cross-examination of Goering, did not benefit from his acquittal. Shirer explains:

The German communist leader was immediately taken into “protective custody,” where he remained until his death during the second war.

In addition to the People’s Court, which handled treason cases, the Nazis also set up the Special Court, which handled cases of political crimes or “insidious attacks against the government.” These courts

"consisted of three judges, who invariably had to be trusted party members, without a jury. A Nazi prosecutor had the choice of bringing action in such cases before either an ordinary court or the Special Court, and invariably he chose the latter, for obvious reasons. Defense lawyers before this court, as before the Volksgerichtshof, had to be approved by Nazi officials. Sometimes even if they were approved they fared badly. Thus the lawyers who attempted to represent the widow of Dr. Klausener, the Catholic Action leader murdered in the Blood Purge, in her suit for damages against the State were whisked off to Sachsenhausen concentration camp, where they were kept until they formally withdrew the action."
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Re: R.I.P USA

Unread postby Lokutus » Tue 17 Oct 2006, 16:07:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'S')igned, sealed, and delivered.
Excellent...

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The brain dead Cletii obviously love this because thinking people hate it.
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Re: R.I.P USA

Unread postby Lokutus » Tue 17 Oct 2006, 16:10:27

History obviously repeats itself.

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Re: R.I.P USA

Unread postby AgentR » Tue 17 Oct 2006, 17:10:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'T')he brain dead Cletii obviously love this because thinking people hate it.


Nah, I nor they cares who hates it. I can't say that I approve of the law either either. But I was feeling the Monte Burns thing; just couldn't find a Burns icon.

Still, I think yall are being silly to be concerned; no president will jeopardize this law by going after a native; that would give a much stronger "standing" to challenge the thing in court. No one with standing, no challenge to the law.

If a citizen does challenge it, the administration can say, "The law clearly excludes citizens from these rules." and absent any exemplar to the contrary, the courts will be inclined to accept the administrations interpretation.
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Re: R.I.P USA

Unread postby Lokutus » Tue 17 Oct 2006, 17:19:13

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Still, I think yall are being silly to be concerned; no president will jeopardize this law by going after a native.


If by "native" you mean "citizen", then go look up the case of Jose Padilla.
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Re: R.I.P USA

Unread postby AgentR » Tue 17 Oct 2006, 17:41:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'I')f by "native" you mean "citizen", then go look up the case of Jose Padilla.


I thought Padilla was currently getting hosed under regular federal law. This law is too new to apply to have been applied to his case.

I'd not be too concerned, he'll be convicted soon enough and spend the rest of his life in a little concrete box.
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Re: R.I.P USA

Unread postby Lokutus » Tue 17 Oct 2006, 17:52:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'I')f by "native" you mean "citizen", then go look up the case of Jose Padilla.


I thought Padilla was currently getting hosed under regular federal law. This law is too new to apply to have been applied to his case.

I'd not be too concerned, he'll be convicted soon enough and spend the rest of his life in a little concrete box.


He was first arrested back in 2002 and was held incommunicado for several years. The only reason we even know of his case is because some crazy lawyer made it his or her mission to work on his behalf.

Padilla sounds like bad news but still we shouldn't be like the old Soviet Union.
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Re: R.I.P USA

Unread postby AgentR » Tue 17 Oct 2006, 17:55:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'P')adilla sounds like bad news but still we shouldn't be like the old Soviet Union.


I'm not saying the new law is good, just that Padilla's case is irrelevant to it.
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Re: R.I.P USA

Unread postby evilgenius » Wed 18 Oct 2006, 04:23:09

I wonder if this law applies toward dissolving Congress when TSHTF?
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Re: R.I.P USA

Unread postby PolestaR » Wed 18 Oct 2006, 05:43:23

Meanwhile all the USAians pissed off by these new and increasingly regular police state laws sit around talking about it instead of say.. doing something.

Never underestimate the importance of inaction.
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Re: R.I.P USA

Unread postby Lawmage » Wed 18 Oct 2006, 07:03:45

This law has a few good ideas and a mass of poorly considered trampling of key Constitutional protections. It ought to be scrapped and the valid reasons it was passed (and there are some...) ought to be dealt with in several pieces of more reasoned and temporary legislation.
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Re: R.I.P USA

Unread postby dukey » Wed 18 Oct 2006, 10:53:14

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Re: R.I.P USA

Unread postby JustinFrankl » Wed 18 Oct 2006, 11:54:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'h')ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THCH9FE3_XM&eurl=

"The Congress just gave the President despotic powers, and you could hear the yawn across the country."

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Re: R.I.P USA

Unread postby PrairieMule » Wed 18 Oct 2006, 12:13:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JustinFrankl', '"')The Congress just gave the President despotic powers, could hear the yawn across the country."

Is everyone all strapped in good and tight?


I think it was more of a uninterupted gaze from a television set.

We have become too soft and dull. I just printed HR 6166 (all 98 pages) yesterday and began reading it. Since it's not written at a 8th grade reading level the majority of America when asked will have no idea how broadly define certain labels for its citizens or what can be done to them. Very disapointing.
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Re: R.I.P USA

Unread postby gego » Wed 18 Oct 2006, 12:31:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JustinFrankl', '
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Is everyone all strapped in good and tight?


Not yet, but when we arrive at the "Gestapo" prison, that probably will be done to us in the torture chamber.
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Re: R.I.P USA

Unread postby gego » Wed 18 Oct 2006, 13:19:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'M')eanwhile all the USAians pissed off by these new and increasingly regular police state laws sit around talking about it instead of say.. doing something.

Never underestimate the importance of inaction.


The deal is that life has not yet become bad enough for people to react. This is why the ruling class has been able to take most of the increase in economic output over the years. They give just enough to the masses so that life improves a little and this takes away any incentive to rebel. When the economic pie contracts and the burden of this contraction is born by the masses, then you will see some unrest. This unrest will spur the powers to then use things like the Military Commissions Act to surpress opposition, and the circle of violence will ensue.
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Re: R.I.P USA

Unread postby perdition79 » Wed 18 Oct 2006, 14:06:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'M')eanwhile all the USAians pissed off by these new and increasingly regular police state laws sit around talking about it instead of say.. doing something.

Never underestimate the importance of inaction.


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