[AgentR]

And the stream of non-answers continue.

Who is to be on this commission of the New and Improved Investigation, and who puts them there?

[NEOPO]

i am ignoring you as of right now - you will now join PMS.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'i') am ignoring you as of right now - you will now join PMS.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'i') am ignoring you as of right now - you will now join PMS.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'i') am ignoring you as of right now - you will now join PMS.

[Gridlock]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i') think gridlock is rwwff's mule.

[Mesuge]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'i') think gridlock is rwwff's mule.
someone trace that ip please....

rwwff seems quite obsessed with steering the conversation does he not?

yes odd indeed.

[Mesuge]

Gridlock> this is total bullshit..

So, tell me how biased were those Congressional investigations into the illegality of the CIA and other agencies in the 70s. We have learned only the tip of the iceberg though, but boy it was juicy.

Extra judicial assassinations, medical experiments on the populace without consent, propaganda applied on domestic targets, destruction of evidence, drugs dealing, domestic wiretyping, support for terrorist cells at home and abroad etc...

Those activities were and many of them are still illegal and unconstitutional to be performed on the US citizens. The old hard core cadre of CIA wants many of them back like they used to have free hand from WWII till the 60s, namely Porter Goss or the current director Mike Hayden..

Well, and don't try this line that Russians and Chinese do this stuff everyday. The west is either more or less a democracy with some basic feedback and checks in place or we have zero right to criticize others..

[Gridlock]

I said <b>at least evidence</b>. Didn't Congressional investigations eventually determine that JFK was shot in a conspiracy?

[Mesuge]

Well, for starters most of the highjackers got into states on the visas from the US consulate in Jedda, Saudi Arabia. This place was in spotlight since 80s because of issuing visas for afghan jihadists well into 90s. Including some station whistleblowers who testified to be presured from the top officers (CIA) to let absolutely no go persons etc.. Jedda consulate is a joint US consulate and ME area CIA station.

- Cheney took control over the air defense prior 9/11 and was in command during that morning

- Someone moved and accumulated at least 15 grand military drills (including simulated highjacks) on the morning of 9/11 leaving the nation defenseless

- Someone, most probably, Cheney ordered stand down in the defense of the Washington DC, i.e. the Mineta testimony, attack on Pentagon almost two hours after highjacks..

Then you have the foreknowledge, July 10 presentation to Condie and later Rumsfeld and Ashcroft about iminent threats, august 6 PDB to Bush about more specific threats etc..

Then you have Able Danger program, Atta's cell has been for years under intel surveillance. Officers on the case are gaged.

Then you have Sibel Edmonds, FBI has warnings about attacks from their inflitration into the Turkish-Israeli-Pakistani intel underground..
Officers on the case are gaged.

Then you have Indira Singh whistleblower and P-tech/Promis where known Saudi terrorist funders got no biding contracts for the top secret interoperability software for FAA, NORAD, FBI, major banks etc. Officers on the case are gaged.


and that's still just the surface..

What's even more sick is that some government faction in the UK and perhaps Germany or few more are to some degree on the plot as well. The Brits are in the energy hole much deeper than the US. Which screams peakoil = 9/11.

And the Israeli connection whatever that leads to apart from their nuclear blackshop with Pakistan makes it no go for the world's current establishment to properly investigate anyway..

[Gridlock]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '-') Cheney took control over the air defense prior 9/11 and was in command during that morning
- Someone moved and accumulated at least 15 grand military drills on the morning of 9/11 leaving the nation defenseless
- Someone, most probably, Cheney ordered stand down in the defense of the Washington DC, i.e. the Minete testimony, attack on Pentagon almost two hours after highjacks..

Then you have the foreknowledge, July 10 presentation to Condie and later Rumsfeld and Ashcroft about iminent threats, august 6 PDB to Bush about more specific threats etc..

Then you have Able Danger program, Atta's cell has been for years under intel surveillance.

Then you have Sibel Edmonds, FBI has warnings about attacks from inflitration of the Turkish-Israeli-Pakistani intel undreground..

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', 'w')e posted links to significant historical documentaries

[AgentR]

And I still see nothing about who is going to be on this new commission, and who is going to put them there.

If yall just want a report to say what you want it to, write it yourself. Otherwise, tell me who these new guys are that are going to have credibility where the first set did not.

[Mesuge]

AgentR>
I know it's futile to even react to your ridiculous kindergarden level of arguments because you are again avoiding any factual debate. But for the record..

9/11 Press for Truth is based on the timeline from the mainstream media and books by first rank publishers, and the official documents which families won in tooth and nail battle with the government so far, nothing more or less..

Power of Nightmares has been produced by the BBC which made pretty strong factual background check according to their professional and ethical code as usual.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', 'I') know it's futile to even react to your ridiculous kindergarden level of arguments because you are again avoiding any factual debate.

[Mesuge]

Huh, perhaps the problem is that you are not able to accept defeat.
You smeared the documentaries as low budget fake I demonstrated to the contrary.
Perhaps, your are the fake object in the room, baby..

Well, instead of making the absurd claim there are no facts to talk about maybe you can start refuting the basic facts rendering "the official government version" of those horible events on 9/11 impossible as outlined in my post on this VERY PAGE (see above) from Oct 07, 2006 8:38 pm..

In terms of those documentaries I did mention it's hard to engage in any meaningful debate with someone who has not seen them, take your time it's one hour and the BBC program is 3x hour segments.

Rational discourse means, confronting the evidence by all participating actors and then followed by a debate about the individual items or bigger blocs of content..

PS: if your strategy is just to beat some time, error buddy, I've already disseminated my daily chunk of "9/11 reinvestigate" materials. The virus of truth is already out of the petri dishes and spreading

[AgentR]

In other words, you won't pick one. Thats ok.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', 'T')he virus of truth is already out of the petri dishes and spreading

[Mesuge]

Hmm, the major obstacle for Republicans being blown out are the pro war pro false flag cowardish Democratic establishment puppets like Pelosi, Lieberman and apparently Clinton, so your analysis is FALSE. The antiwar and anti Dem leadership leaning candidates are steam rolling through the races..

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OK, if THIS is your concern then there are many options how to proceed. The most effective is obviously the court setting with jury and where both parties can present the evidence, testimonies, experts etc.. No tricks allowed like Gorgieboy Bush testifiyng only in presence of his uncle Dick and not under oath as they did with the 9/11 Commission.

Such a tribunal and its organizational structure (choosing int. law/US law) shall be consulted and approved by the committee of 9/11 families. Most importantely their legal team CAN NOT be hand picked kangaroo court style by the government as they did it in the Warren Commission, RFK (Sirhan Sirhan's case) etc.

The proceedings should be open to the media and all relevant material evidence made available by the government, i.e, gag orders which are imposed on the current most important people being lifted up.

Obviously, the jury should be as diverse and non biased as possible, the same with the judge. For instance, the families would like to have the jury to be picked from NY/state exclusively, someone would argue for more federal american jury, others even for world tribunal. That could be negotiated.

In any case and with likely government attempts to hamper the work of such a tribunal this would produce some new documentation on the case.

Well, it's obvious that political will for such a trial doesn't exist at the moment and frankly won't be here unless some future escalation, attacking Iran, military draft, new falseflags, "renegade" army wing uprising for constitution etc. occur

The entire 9/11 case sits in the middle of the nexus of multi trillion usd int. scheme and vested int. interests of various rough nations such as Israel and Pakistan so the likelyhood to get the court working is small but not impossible..

PS: Neopo, thanks. It's worth to lay down your thoughts, sometimes I use these debates as bookmarks or notebook. Now, lets be ready for flush of several pages with hollow argumentation and other tangential garbage..

[NEOPO]

BRAVO!!
and it all starts with one.

I have them on ignore so I dont know what these idiots are saying yet I applaud you for your effort.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', 'H')mm, the major obstacle for Republicans being blown out are the pro war pro false flag cowardish Democratic establishment puppets like Pelosi, Lieberman and apparently Clinton, so your analysis is FALSE. The antiwar and anti Dem leadership leaning candidates are steam rolling through the races..