[Zardoz]

Secrets, and the obvious, revealed

This book has BushCo seriously squirming.

Los Angeles Times review:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')By Tim Rutten, Times Staff Writer

Bob WOODWARD'S "State of Denial" is the third volume in what aspires to be an inside history of George W. Bush's wartime presidency.

[slick]

I think I can speak for the majority of Americans and say that we are all collectively deeply embarrassed that we voted this dim bulb and his hair-brained team into office twice.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('slick', 'I') think I can speak for the majority of Americans and say that we are all collectively deeply embarrassed that we voted this dim bulb and his hair-brained team into office twice.

[Dezakin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('slick', 'I') think I can speak for the majority of Americans and say that we are all collectively deeply embarrassed that we voted this dim bulb and his hair-brained team into office twice.

[NEOPO]

this is one of those meme things isnt it?
this is the first time I have ever really noticed it ....wow!
The book title says it all......the irony.... it pierces my soul

Call me a neocon er whatever but thats funny stuff.

Ok ok heheh ok uhm yes he even touchs on the Rice - 9/11 stuff which is one part of the whole theory....i.e. LIHOP but that dont explain everything by a long shot.

Bob Woodward

Carl Bernstein

The CIA and the Media by Carl Bernstein

Yikes - Carl is a hiccup away from mk ultra
IMHO - Bob is walking the american people as far as he thinks they can be walked away from madness in one go.
America will then have to rest.

I applaud the effort and I am envious as I do not seem to be able to draw the line or know when to stop.
Like a father with several kids who never knew they made a special tiny spoon just for babies

So does he speak the whole truth or is he wise enough to speak only the right amount of truth to fit nicely into americas mind?
Yes, that be the question....

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'A')hem...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') forum to either submit your own review of a book, video or audio interview, or to read others' reviews.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
')IMHO - Bob is walking the american people as far as he thinks they can be walked away from madness in one go.
America will then have to rest.

I applaud the effort and I am envious as I do not seem to be able to draw the line or know when to stop.
Like a father with several kids who never knew they made a special tiny spoon just for babies

So does he speak the whole truth or is he wise enough to speak only the right amount of truth to fit nicely into americas mind?
Yes, that be the question....

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('source', '"')State of Denial" is best read in tandem with Joan Didion's assessment of Cheney in the current issue of the New York Review of Books. With that as background, one conclusion that suggests itself is that — from the beginning — Iraq really has been about Vietnam. Cheney and Rumsfeld have been the Iraq war's principle advocates and architects. As Woodward now reveals, they've even introduced Henry Kissinger back into the equation, and he now is Bush's most frequent nongovernmental advisor on foreign policy. Cheney and Rumsfeld were bright young men headed for the top during the Nixon and Ford administrations, both of whom thought of themselves, as others did, as future presidents. Though the disaster in Southeast Asia hardly ruined them, a certain stigma has attached itself ever since.

For them, the Iraq war, the whole wrenching debate over domestic spying, the detainees and unitary executive power is all about Vietnam. Cheney, Rumsfeld and Kissinger all have been convinced for decades that the country drew all the wrong historical and governmental conclusions from Vietnam. The Reagan era intervention in Central America was a first attempt to overturn those conclusions, but it foundered on the arms-for-hostages scandal. Once George W. Bush — for a set of Freudian family issues too tedious to belabor — put himself in their clutches, he became the instrument of a Cheney/Rumsfeld/Kissinger attempt to abolish 30 years of history and their enduring resentment that their youthful exercise of power ended in failure, death and disaster.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'W')hat could possibly be squirming in Henry Kissinger's toad of a mind that would want any different result? What alternative was he so frustrated in creating? Why was it worth dropping more ordnance on dirt-poor Vietnam than was dropped in all of WWII?

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', 'V')ietnam war was essentially a proxy war between the Soviet Union and the States. You forget that, at the time, communism wasn't, as it is now, universally regarded as something that doesn't work. At the time, it seemed to be working really well. And what Kissinger and CIA were worried about, essentially, was "losing" more countries to communism, because they were afraid that, in the end, the whole world would turn communist.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '.')..But, I mean, Kissinger and others STILL regret having lost that war...

[keehah]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut what did we lose by losing the idiotic war in Vietnam?

[gg3]

So the picture emerges of a Cheney/Rumsfeld Administration, in which Bush is a figurehead with mediocre background at best.

And when Cheney & Rumsfeld fail at reliving their own histories differently, they bring in another ghost from the same history to troubleshoot it for them.

These people aren't just in denial, they are deeply disturbed and we are all paying the price for it. Now are the liberals going to say "oh poor dears, you need therapy" while the conservatives say "throw the book at 'em!", or vice-versa..?

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '.')..But, I mean, Kissinger and others STILL regret having lost that war...