[NEOPO]

actually the concept of christ or a "savior" has its roots deep within many religions.

There are beliefs that christ can never die - is a transient spirit that sometimes "invades" a body wether it is by choice or not - comes at crucial times in mankinds history etc etc.

It is the theosophical understanding of the words "eloi eloi lama sabachthani" or "father my father why have you forsaken me".
Some would say that Jesus was led like a moth to the brightest light of them all and then just before death - abandoned there to finish his task alone.

I have little problem with much of what you said although if you look at Jesus like a man and the concept of christ seperately I think you may come to slightly different conclusions on at least a few issues.

Love - defending this concept is like fighting for peace.

I ask for proof - seems no one can prove anything one way or the other thus "Agnostics win!!" "Agnostics win!!"

[Lighthouse]

What are you guys smoking? Can I have some?

[katkinkate]

The biggest problem with us human beings is our pride.

To say we are so special and above nature that we need to have had a Creator and are not an accident of natural evolution is ludicrious. Its the most intellectually bankrupt conclusion we could make. But it comes as no surprise people believe this because it confirms exactly what our biggest problem is today - people think, because of this belief in special privilege, that they can do what they like to the world because their 'daddy' will fix it in the end. And so our goose is cooked, because there is no big 'daddy'.

People need to wake up and start paying attention to the reality of what is happening in this world, instead of blinding themselves with their faith in a God that only exists in their imagination.

[Atlantean_Relic]

It'll be a hard job but I'll lobotimize everyone on earth. Then hail myself a hero.

[BurnCalories]

HELP! I am having a flashback to my sophomore year in college. (1969)

[Anthrobus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('qwerty', 'A')nd you thought peak oil, peak water, 9/11, Return to the Stone Age was awareness wake up call!

Descartes was DEAD WRONG! I think does NOT mean therefore I am!It took me a long time of denialing to finally come to accept this:
You think but you don't really think. Its ALL an illusion from head to toe, conciousness awareness perception quilia ephiphenonomeon itself being the ultimate illusion and grande mirage of all mirages!
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[galacticsurfer]

Trying to get a grip on what you guys are saying here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_philosophy

So advaita vedanta is Qwerty's philosophy.

"advaita vedanta, based on the Upanishads, considers the consciousness of the Self - Jivatma - to be continuous with and indistinguishable from the consciousness of the Supreme Spirit or Brahman - Paramatma."

I think this below could be similar to most theistic religions:

"Ramanujacharya (1040–1137) was the foremost proponent of Saguna Brahman, the concept of Brahman, the ultimate power, having a definite form, name, and attributes: he saw Sriman Narayana as the supreme Brahman. He taught that Ultimate reality had three aspects: Ishvara (Vishnu), cit (soul), and acit (matter). Vishnu is the only independent reality, while souls and matter are dependent on God for their existence. Because of this qualification of Ultimate reality, Ramanuja's system is known as qualified non-dualism."

Below a third way similar maybe to devotional Chrisitanity:

"Chaitanya (1486–1534), a devotee of Krishna, proposed a synthesis between the monist and dualist philosophies by stating that the soul is equally distinct (bheda) and non-distinct (abheda) from God, whom he identified as Krishna, and that this, although unthinkable (acintya), may be experienced in devotion. "

Hamlet's last words were "The rest is silence" is typically modern western nihilism/atheism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism_in_Hinduism

"The atheistic viewpoint as present in the Samkhya and Mimamsa schools of Hindu philosophy takes the form of rejecting a creator-God."

So obviously the Hindus thought a lot about that too. They thought about everything so are a good source of ideas. No need to get huing up on the nature of reality and reinvent the wheel. They already did it a long time ago.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Atlantean_Relic', 'I')t'll be a hard job but I'll lobotimize everyone on earth. Then hail myself a hero.

[jsb1969]

Explanation of life or no life or form or emptyness, is I promise you, a stinky mess.

[entropyfails]

I have a fondness for saying that experience has no independent existence.

Life may have something resembling existence and meaning on its own, but we will never know anything about it. No amount of Buddhism or Bibles will change that. We know this scientifically via the uncertainty principle and more importantly the existence of noncomputable numbers. Some things simply lie outside the domain of knowledge.

So what can we do? We have been carved via knowledge but we cannot escape back to the realm of life. We desperately fear life so we have gone on a worldwide killing spree that is culminating with the environmental destruction of the planet. Our only hope would involve millions waking up from their slumber at the same time, but we have no tools to accomplish this.

Either we wake up, or we crash. Somebody else flips the coin, so I agree with the posters that say “relax, slow down, enjoy your life.” Only then will we pay attention enough to hear the flip.