Well, why don't you guys put any questions/comments you have to Mr. Goldes?
He has a blog here:
http://www.postcarbon.org/node/737
I believe he can be reached here: (username overtone)
overtone
Also, I believe he is looking for investors, you could get in on the ground floor.
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Re: Zero Point Energy
by oiless » Sun 18 Sep 2005, 23:54:24
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by Tanada » Fri 11 Nov 2005, 08:26:33
</q>$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pilferage', 'D')on't worry about large scale energy production. There's no need to reinvent fission (energy positive fusion would be nice though). However, unlike some posters in this thread, I believe ZPE could have a huge impact if we were able to create suitable variable geometry nanocomponents.
http://www.hep.caltech.edu/~phys199/lec ... _6_cas.pdf
But even if possible, this is decades away...
P.s. No really, don't worry about energy, as prices go up we'll start to see electric/gas hybrids, having longer and longer electric range as battery tech progresses until the Hydrogen economy infrastructure is in place.
Check out the difference in energy between a pound of Uranium and a pound of oil...
http://www.phy.syr.edu/courses/modules/ ... ables.html
no biggie, just a factor of five. With nuclear power being the more energetic (and more efficient I believe) application, we should've switched to a fission based energy system years ago. The auto and oil industries had a lot to lose... So, nuclear was put on the back burner, and they made money hand over fist.
P.p.s I wonder if there are any socio-economic theories regarding changing resources bases... it would put this whole situation in a different light.
http://www.hep.caltech.edu/~phys199/lec ... _6_cas.pdf
But even if possible, this is decades away...
P.s. No really, don't worry about energy, as prices go up we'll start to see electric/gas hybrids, having longer and longer electric range as battery tech progresses until the Hydrogen economy infrastructure is in place.
Check out the difference in energy between a pound of Uranium and a pound of oil...
http://www.phy.syr.edu/courses/modules/ ... ables.html
no biggie, just a factor of five. With nuclear power being the more energetic (and more efficient I believe) application, we should've switched to a fission based energy system years ago. The auto and oil industries had a lot to lose... So, nuclear was put on the back burner, and they made money hand over fist.
P.p.s I wonder if there are any socio-economic theories regarding changing resources bases... it would put this whole situation in a different light.
According to the cited energy values page I could get as much energy from a candy bar as I do a therm of natural gas. Considering the new price diferential all I need to do is figure out how to efficiently burn candy bars and My home energy problems are solved!
Of course that is the problem with straight comparisons, without a method of extracting the availible energy it doesn't matter how much is there. Solar, hydro, wind, fission, fusion.....most don't care where the power comes from so long as it comes when they want it and as much as they want of it. I wonder how much electricity I could get by hiring someone to ride a stationary chain drive generator for an hour while feeding them a candy bar every 20 minutes?
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Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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Re: Zero point energy and the disclosure project
by lakeweb » Fri 11 Nov 2005, 12:04:25
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rickenbacker', '
')For a bit of a laugh, I thought I'd give the UFO stuff another chance, see if it held any similar credibility or was the product of a bunch of inbred hicks. I came across 'the disclosure project' (http://www.disclosureproject.com/) which has testimonies from numerous (over 400) government, corporate, intelligence service and military staff with some extraordinary claims. It reaches a point where you can either dismiss the whole thing as an incredibly elaborate (and risky) hoax for seemingly little benefit to the participants beyond a few book sales, or you have to accept that there may well be somthing to it.
')For a bit of a laugh, I thought I'd give the UFO stuff another chance, see if it held any similar credibility or was the product of a bunch of inbred hicks. I came across 'the disclosure project' (http://www.disclosureproject.com/) which has testimonies from numerous (over 400) government, corporate, intelligence service and military staff with some extraordinary claims. It reaches a point where you can either dismiss the whole thing as an incredibly elaborate (and risky) hoax for seemingly little benefit to the participants beyond a few book sales, or you have to accept that there may well be somthing to it.
In another forum I wrote:
1.) free energy.
Years ago I heard the stories about 'suppressed technologies' so I set out to learn what I could. Right away I realized I would need a firm grounding in physics. So I read and studied. I found out how science works. First, science doesn't have any laws. It is purposefully designed so that nothing is set in stone. An excellent example of how this works is in the way Einstein revolutionized science. He developed new theories concerning space and time. Testable theories. His theory of gravity replaced Newton's because it more accurately predicated observations. Something important to note is that his ontology of gravity remains just that. Nothing is 'explained' in science. We haven't got a clue about the 'why' of nature. What we do know is that it can be observed and mathematically modeled.
So, there hasn't been a revolution in science in going on one hundred years now. It is not for lack of trying. Millions of undergrads work every year pounding on the observable. If there were some 'new physics' there would be no hiding it. It is just not possible. Every undergrad, grad, and university professor in the whole world would have to be in on this conspiracy to hide a new physics.
ZPE, or the casimir effect, are well understood. The force is conservative, just as is gravity and the electrostatic force. No observation has ever been made to contradict this.
http://itamp.harvard.edu/casimir.html
2.) UFOs
I've seen them, my son has seen more, so has my wife. I know many that have seen them. They are very well documented. But as far as I can tell, we have no more idea what they are then C.G.Jung did. He could not come to a conclusion. 'They are' therefor they are extraterrestrials is a leap. Considering how bizarre and diverse the phenomena, they could as easily be part of human nature. Every time I've tried to run down the testimony of cover-up I've come up with a dead end. No, that doesn't prove anything. On the other hand there seems to be an endless supply of 'Bob Lazar's.
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/upd ... -012.shtml
Disinformation is a powerful tool Why should the military admit they have no clue as to the nature of UFOs?
I also wrote concerning Bearden and the discloser project:
Listen. I'm not at you on this. I've done my homework, I've known about Bearden for years. I'm not saying that there is truth to be had, no one can do that. It is just the way it works. The process of finding 'truth' has been beat to death from Hume to Popper. Human observations remain the root of 'our' truth.
Now let's look at what you wrote below. Dr. Bearden has been publishing openly for years. Websites and books. No one has suppressed his publications yet he publishes about the same stuff you later claim has been squashed by the likes of Bell Labs. This doesn't make sense.
You say there are many ways to make the observation of free energy. I've seen Bearden's claims, the observations are trivial. He says he wants this technology to be acknowledged and used. All he would have to do is walk onto any university campus with his Meg underarm and demonstrate the phenomena. If he had something all hell would break loose. There would be no suppression of this new physics.
Electrodynamics has been scrutinized in every lab at every university in the world for 100 years. If there were something new to observe it would have happened.
BTW, I'm going through the press conference. Up until Carl the testimony has been purely on sightings. Without more information we can't say what is being sighted.
But here are four anomalous testimonies:
Carl saw photos and was told they were a base on the far side of the moon thirty years ago. Is what Carl was told the 'truth'?
The alien shooting was a second hand story. What really happened?
Sgt. Clifford Stone, Says he did recoveries of crashed UFOs.
Notice that Sgt. Clifford Stone is the only person that testifies to first hand knowlage of aliens. The only one. Mark McCandish testimony of seeing blueprints and things that look like UFOs in a hanger does not mean he has witnessed real evidence.
It seems there should be physical evidence that would put this thing to bed.
Also:
http://www.disclosureproject.org/access.htm
The list:
· Tesla's Self-Powered Automobile
· The Moray Radian Energy Device
· Gabriel Kron and the Negative Resistor
· Cold Fusion
· Dr. Randell Mills and Blacklight Power
I've been down all these roads. They don't add up, not one of them.
Best, Dan.
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Re: Zero point energy and the disclosure project
by threadbear » Fri 11 Nov 2005, 14:58:30
GG3, I understand Bernard Haisch doesn't share your dismissive views about ufos. As a matter of fact I looked up his site and found my husband's book on his list of reading material required to understand how a political cover up could and would work.
"Over the course of time I have learned how it would indeed be possible to maintain decades-long secrecy on this topic and why this might be justified, concepts I myself once dismissed. (See Black Special Access Programs, also Some Thoughts on Keeping It Secret. And for some insight on the origin of this situation see the book UFOs and the National Security State: An Unclassified History. Vol. 1: 1947-1973 by Richard Dolan; also The Missing Times by Terry Hansen which documents the history of ties between the national media and the intelligence community. I am aware that these two books have been criticised for over-reliance on secondary sources. More scholarly work is available, such as that of Jan Aldrich, but I think that Dolan and Hansen present a useful and eye-opening introduction to the situation in general, especially for someone first approaching this topic.)"
http://www.ufoskeptic.org/
If there is some kind of exotic form of energy already available to humanity, we won't be seeing it, as the weapons potential would be a real issue.
The patent process itself, would insure that any kind of zero-point or exotic energy producing technology would automatically qualify as a potential threat to national security, and would be handled as such. This would require inventor to have a security clearance and a likely gag imposed on his discussing his/her invention.
Does this mean that zero-point is real? No. It just illustrates that if there is a very efficient form of cheap energy out there, we're not going to know about it, for a variety of reasons. Oil economics would also play an essential resistant role.
Rickenbacker, Welcome to the wall of laughter. Are you going to try to scale it, or go back to consensus reality with your tail between your legs?
"Over the course of time I have learned how it would indeed be possible to maintain decades-long secrecy on this topic and why this might be justified, concepts I myself once dismissed. (See Black Special Access Programs, also Some Thoughts on Keeping It Secret. And for some insight on the origin of this situation see the book UFOs and the National Security State: An Unclassified History. Vol. 1: 1947-1973 by Richard Dolan; also The Missing Times by Terry Hansen which documents the history of ties between the national media and the intelligence community. I am aware that these two books have been criticised for over-reliance on secondary sources. More scholarly work is available, such as that of Jan Aldrich, but I think that Dolan and Hansen present a useful and eye-opening introduction to the situation in general, especially for someone first approaching this topic.)"
http://www.ufoskeptic.org/
If there is some kind of exotic form of energy already available to humanity, we won't be seeing it, as the weapons potential would be a real issue.
The patent process itself, would insure that any kind of zero-point or exotic energy producing technology would automatically qualify as a potential threat to national security, and would be handled as such. This would require inventor to have a security clearance and a likely gag imposed on his discussing his/her invention.
Does this mean that zero-point is real? No. It just illustrates that if there is a very efficient form of cheap energy out there, we're not going to know about it, for a variety of reasons. Oil economics would also play an essential resistant role.
Rickenbacker, Welcome to the wall of laughter. Are you going to try to scale it, or go back to consensus reality with your tail between your legs?
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Re: Zero point energy and the disclosure project
by lakeweb » Fri 11 Nov 2005, 15:35:22
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'G')G3, I understand Bernard Haisch doesn't share your dismissive views about ufos...
You should reread my post. I, in no way, dismissed it. You seem to be hearing what you want.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'A')s a matter of fact I looked up his site and found my husband's book on his list of reading material required to understand how a political cover up could and would work.
http://www.ufoskeptic.org/
And I'll quote.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bernard Haisch', '
')The above is, of course, short of any kind of proof, but all in all I have now gotten to the point in my exposure to the subject at which I think it somewhat more likely than not that something not merely delusional, but real and important may be going on with regard to the UFO phenomenon. If so, I would like to discover what it is, or what the ensemble of phenomena are if it is a multiplicity of things...
He is in the same boat as Jung was.
Just because the Government can keep secrets doesn’t mean they have secrets about UFOs.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I')f there is some kind of exotic form of energy already available to humanity, we won't be seeing it, as the weapons potential would be a real issue.
Address my post as far as keeping 'new' physics secret. Don't just claim it can be done.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'T')he patent process itself, would insure that any kind of zero-point or exotic energy producing technology would automatically qualify as a potential threat to national security, and would be handled as such. This would require inventor to have a security clearance and a likely gag imposed on his discussing his/her invention.
Thats freakin rad!
