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Interesting Development: FBI and Free Speech

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 12:43:13

Some like to say that the US is becoming "fascist" and it's all over for "the land of the free". Littlegreenfootballs is a website dedicated to tracking Islamic extremism in the news. The left hates them and so do various Muslim groups.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he latest smear attack against Little Green Footballs is that the FBI is “investigating” us for “anti-Muslim speech.” Here we have Tikkun Olam moron Richard Silverstein snapping and snarling and acting as a willing tool for CAIR: FBI Investigates Anti-Muslim Hate Speech at Little Green Footballs.

" Finally, the FBI pays a visit to someone who deserves one (as opposed to the thousands of Muslim-Americans who’ve received unwanted visits from local agents since 9/11). The Council for American Islamic Relations (CAIR) has been monitoring Little Green Footballs’ comments section in which readers egg each other on to see who can spout more homicidal and hateful speech and thought against Muslims. After CAIR filed its complaints, FBI agents visited Charles Johnson twice. Here’s the little that he had to say about the incidents. I especially like the high moral dudgeon of this comment:

The premier Islamist front group is starting to go after the blogosphere, using the tools provided by our own society.

... I’d like to know what Chuck and the G-men talked about; and I’d like to find out what was the content of the LGF comments. Anyone reading this who can provide more information would be most appreciated."

This is a typical leftist attack; full of lies and invented “facts” that bear no relation to reality. (And for some reason, they always seem to think it’s the height of cleverness to call me “Chuck.”) The FBI did not “visit” me—I received two phone calls, both after CAIR filed complaints to harass LGF. The agents were very courteous, and the questions they had (about one comment that had been deleted months earlier and about some harassing emails sent without my knowledge) were handled very quickly and professionally. They were not “investigating anti-Muslim speech,” they were asking about two specific incidents that involved specific threats against one specific person—Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR. And in fact, one agent specifically told me they were not in the business of policing free speech. There is no ongoing investigation. End of story.
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Re: Interesting Development: FBI and Free Speech

Unread postby Miki » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 05:55:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'S')ome like to say that the US is becoming "fascist" and it's all over for "the land of the free". Littlegreenfootballs is a website dedicated to tracking Islamic extremism in the news. The left hates them and so do various Muslim groups.


1-There's a reason why the left hates them. Free speech or not, they promote hate against Muslims and Islam. If it's Islamic extremism that they're after, how about some emphasis on the fact that this is not something about Islam and Muslim culture?

2-I have not seen a single criticism of Israel in that site. If you check the comments after their articles/news, you won't find a single one that defends Muslims or Islam or that criticizes Israel's actions and decisions. They obviously don't publish those comments. Is that the free speech that you'd like to see in the web?
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Re: Interesting Development: FBI and Free Speech

Unread postby rwwff » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 05:59:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '2')-I have not seen a single criticism of Israel in that site. If you check the comments after their articles/news, you won't find a single one that defends Muslims or Islam or that criticizes Israel's actions and decisions. They obviously don't publish those comments. Is that the free speech that you'd like to see in the web?


It is advocacy speech; and yes, that is exactly the best kind. People waddling around the net trying to be unbiased just look stupid; best to be open and forthright about purpose and bias; and LGF is absolute biased as an advocate for Israel.
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Re: Interesting Development: FBI and Free Speech

Unread postby Miki » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 06:41:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'I')t is advocacy speech; and yes, that is exactly the best kind. People waddling around the net trying to be unbiased just look stupid; best to be open and forthright about purpose and bias; and LGF is absolute biased as an advocate for Israel.


Funny enough, a lot of US readers of LGF sincerely think the site is not biased. They think it's a good source of "the truth" that uncovers the "Muslim lies".

You guys want truth? Go to Israel and watch for yourself. Ask people who have been there. At least take the time to expose yourself to non-American news. Even the Israeli news are more critical of Israel than the American news. For God's sake!
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Re: Interesting Development: FBI and Free Speech

Unread postby rwwff » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 06:51:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'F')unny enough, a lot of US readers of LGF sincerely think the site is not biased. They think it's a good source of "the truth" that uncovers the "Muslim lies".

People often say that when the views expressed match their own policy preferences.

I'm sure many Palestinians think that Al Jazeera is a good source for "the truth" to uncover the attrocities of Israeli propaganda.
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Re: Interesting Development: FBI and Free Speech

Unread postby Miki » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 07:15:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'F')unny enough, a lot of US readers of LGF sincerely think the site is not biased. They think it's a good source of "the truth" that uncovers the "Muslim lies".

People often say that when the views expressed match their own policy preferences.

I'm sure many Palestinians think that Al Jazeera is a good source for "the truth" to uncover the attrocities of Israeli propaganda.


Yet, it would be very good for Americans to be exposed to Al Jazeera, if only to be exposed to the other side of the coin. That's what democracy is about: exposing all the sides and letting people decide, but the American media does nothing of that. They show one side, one rhetoric, one piece of propaganda.

Also, you know like me that there are many *facts* that are hidden from the American public by the American MSM, and Americans would see those facts if they were exposed to other media.

BTW, when is Al Jazeera going to start broadcasting in English? They said they would a while ago, and they still didn't start. I can't watch Al Jazeera right now because I don't understand formal Arabic.
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Re: Interesting Development: FBI and Free Speech

Unread postby Aaron » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 07:23:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lso, you know like me that there are many *facts* that are hidden from the American public by the American MSM, and Americans would see those facts if they were exposed to other media.


The Onion is more fact based than Al Jazeera... might as well read Provda, or FOX News... or LGF.

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Re: Interesting Development: FBI and Free Speech

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 11:41:13

You guys are all missing the point. This is not about lgf and al-jazeera. It's about how the FBI is not about trying to police free speech. It's about how Americans can still speak their minds.
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Re: Interesting Development: FBI and Free Speech

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 11:46:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')And in fact, one agent specifically told me they were not in the business of policing free speech. There is no ongoing investigation. End of story.


So, because a field officer says something, it must be true? All I am hearing is "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

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Re: Interesting Development: FBI and Free Speech

Unread postby rwwff » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 11:50:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'Y')ou guys are all missing the point. This is not about lgf and al-jazeera. It's about how the FBI is not about trying to police free speech. It's about how Americans can still speak their minds.


Don't fall for the propaganda. Any time a complaint is made, a cursory investigation is done to put the complaint in context; that is all that happened here.

Joe ElNutbar called the FBI complaining about incident X on lgf.
FBI does "whois" on lgf.
They call the phone number, and say, "dude, whats up with ElNutbar"
LGF guy responds, "He's an idgit making excuses for Al Qaida"
FBI guy says, "Good nuff, give'em hell for us. Bye."
LGF guy, "bye"

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Re: Interesting Development: FBI and Free Speech

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 11:50:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')And in fact, one agent specifically told me they were not in the business of policing free speech. There is no ongoing investigation. End of story.


So, because a field officer says something, it must be true? All I am hearing is "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

:lol:
"The man behind the curtain" wow, that's the best catch-all conspiracy code words of them all. The man behind the curtain is probably a lizard-man from Alpha Centauri. Or maybe it's John Hurt.
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Re: Interesting Development: FBI and Free Speech

Unread postby PrairieMule » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 11:59:26

Speaking of free speech did anyone catch Ted Koppel's Security vs Civil Liberties special last night on Discovery channel? Very good program with tough questions asked about Homeland Security and and just how much latitude Bush's executive powers should be.
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Re: Interesting Development: FBI and Free Speech

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 11:59:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')And in fact, one agent specifically told me they were not in the business of policing free speech. There is no ongoing investigation. End of story.


So, because a field officer says something, it must be true? All I am hearing is "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

:lol:
"The man behind the curtain" wow, that's the best catch-all conspiracy code words of them all. The man behind the curtain is probably a lizard-man from Alpha Centauri. Or maybe it's John Hurt.


OK, I'm wit u, PMS. Our government is ever the bulwark against incursion of our liberties.*
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Soooo....what's on television? :P
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Re: Interesting Development: FBI and Free Speech

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 12:11:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '
')Soooo....what's on television? :P
No time for TV, big ones, too busy doing battle with the forces of darkness right here.

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Re: Interesting Development: FBI and Free Speech

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 12:14:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '
')Soooo....what's on television? :P
No time for TV, big ones, too busy doing battle with the forces of darkness right here.


How is that little girl threatening us? 8O :? :oops:
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Re: Interesting Development: FBI and Free Speech

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 12:15:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '
')Soooo....what's on television? :P
No time for TV, big ones, too busy doing battle with the forces of darkness right here.


How is that little girl threatening us? 8O :? :oops:
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Re: Interesting Development: FBI and Free Speech

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 19:01:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'Y')ou guys are all missing the point. This is not about lgf and al-jazeera. It's about how the FBI is not about trying to police free speech. It's about how Americans can still speak their minds.


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Hate speech targeting jews = thought crime
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