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Oil price - What is going on???

Unread postby Sys1 » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 06:46:27

I witness oil price dropping day after day... I remember, 1 year ago, when i thought oil would reach 100$ for winter.
Now, it's 66,25$ on 321energy, world economy seems invincible, and even me is thinking about buying a car!

Of course, all this is perhabs (i should say certainly) just an anomaly in the long term trend.
While we just watching oil, i'm intrigued by copper and uranium, getting higher and higher, but also food (especially fish in fact) and electricity bill.

But wait, what about OPEC? How they deal with those prices? Watch this: Link

From this article, i understand that OPEC is satisfied but in the same time is worried by this 10$ drop in a month. If prices are staying as "low" (is low the appropriate word for poor countries btw?), it will lead to a stronger growth, well, a stronger demand!

Is the market mad or are we just a bunch of paranoids?
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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby oli » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 06:59:40

What's going on is that you are to lazy and / or dumb to make your own link:
a) Work
b) Not f.uck up the formating of your post

Here.

Next time, spend the extra five seconds to check that your link works and put it in [_url] blocks, or alternatively do not post.
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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby chris-h » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 08:46:51

What is going on??? elections in USA .
After the elections the only way is up :(
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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby TheTurtle » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 08:47:13

When US oil production peaked in the lower 48 back in the early 70s, the price of gasoline fell significantly. I see the latest drop in prices as just an indication that oil has, indeed, peaked globally.

On the other hand, being a child of the consumer age, I am strangely compelled to now stop riding the bus and instead go buy myself a Humvee for my daily commute. :P
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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby Aaron » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 09:37:19

If I controlled the Gate's Foundation, I'd set up a facility to purchase as much oil & gas as possible... & flare it into the sky.

It was a pretty clever trick for a bunch of monkeys, and it's been fun... but enough is enough... now it's just sad.

The sooner the better.

Our "mastery" of energy & technology has created the greatest gulf between the haves & have-nots that has ever existed, and ushered in an age of unprecedented suffering & violence never before seen on Earth.

The vast majority of your fellow humans live a nightmare of poverty & hardship, in the shadow of the tiny fraction of wealthy & spoiled elite who actually benefit from our wonderful technologies.

Once you understand the enormity & potency of this reality, as well as our complicity in creating & maintaining it, there is only one word which properly describes your mental state...

Shame.

Some of you will have seen my recent "HawkMan" diatribes in other threads, as well as my sig. I'm doing a bit of "tongue in cheek" teasing of course, but I'm also meaning to imply something else.

I'm trying to illuminate a central component of our worldview & assumptions about our place in it.

It really matters very little which belief system you examine... at the very core of almost every ideology, there is a common idea.

And it's the message of HawkMan:

Because I can.

Without knowing it, you are almost all disciples of HawkMan.

HawkMan, Allah, Jesus, Vishnu... whatever.

Whatever else they do, man's belief systems have concentrated the wealth of our planet for a tiny group, at the expense of the exploited billions...

Is it fair to observe that we didn't really know any better?

Probably...

But then again... now you do know.
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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby FireJack » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 10:31:52

I always want to rip my hair out when I see that "end world poverty" campain. It just proves that most people have no idea what we do to have this lifestyle, how were raping the earth for everything its got to maintain it for even a small fraction of the population.

I suspect as oil production declines people will do more and more environmentally destructive things in an attempt to maintain there lifestyle until most of the world is not fit for living. Extinction of the human race in say, hmmm, 10-20k years. I guess there is a chance that another intelligent race will rise again in 200-300 million years but a lot of things would have to go right.

I wonder if mabey there are a lot of planets with life on it only a few of those develop intelligent life and out of those only few can manage thier resources well enouph to colinize areas outside thier own ecosystem and survive past the death of the planet (for reasons other that resource depletion ie death of the sun). I would see we have failed to manage our resources and will become extinct for that reason, heres hoping an intelligent race somewhere were a little smarter than us.
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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby Fergus » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 10:49:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FireJack', 'I') always want to rip my hair out when I see that "end world poverty" campain. It just proves that most people have no idea what we do to have this lifestyle, how were raping the earth for everything its got to maintain it for even a small fraction of the population.

I suspect as oil production declines people will do more and more environmentally destructive things in an attempt to maintain there lifestyle until most of the world is not fit for living. Extinction of the human race in say, hmmm, 10-20k years. I guess there is a chance that another intelligent race will rise again in 200-300 million years but a lot of things would have to go right.

I wonder if mabey there are a lot of planets with life on it only a few of those develop intelligent life and out of those only few can manage thier resources well enouph to colinize areas outside thier own ecosystem and survive past the death of the planet (for reasons other that resource depletion ie death of the sun). I would see we have failed to manage our resources and will become extinct for that reason, heres hoping an intelligent race somewhere were a little smarter than us.
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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby rwwff » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 10:58:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fergus', 'F')or an intelligent creature, we are some of the dumbest creatures god created.


We're not dumb.

We're malevolent. Even when we're trying to play nice.
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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby Fergus » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 11:28:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fergus', 'F')or an intelligent creature, we are some of the dumbest creatures god created.


We're not dumb.

We're malevolent. Even when we're trying to play nice.


Good point. I stand corrected.
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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby MalcolmV » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 11:47:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', ' ')Our "mastery" of energy & technology has created the greatest gulf between the haves & have-nots that has ever existed, and ushered in an age of unprecedented suffering & violence never before seen on Earth.

The vast majority of your fellow humans live a nightmare of poverty & hardship, in the shadow of the tiny fraction of wealthy & spoiled elite who actually benefit from our wonderful technologies.

Once you understand the enormity & potency of this reality, as well as our complicity in creating & maintaining it, there is only one word which properly describes your mental state...

Shame.


Thanks. This is what I have been wanting to hear on this forum. A welcome antidote to the survivalist, every man for himself philosophy. We are all in this together.

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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby budeone » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 11:50:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat is going on??? elections in USA .


Thats what it is imho.. Great timing..lol
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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby rwwff » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 11:50:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MalcolmV', 'N')ever attribute to malevolence what can be fully explained by stupidity.


A very effective way to excuse the vice and cruelty of those you happen to care about.
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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 12:03:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'I')f I controlled the Gate's Foundation, I'd set up a facility to purchase as much oil & gas as possible... & flare it into the sky.

It was a pretty clever trick for a bunch of monkeys, and it's been fun... but enough is enough... now it's just sad.

The sooner the better.

Our "mastery" of energy & technology has created the greatest gulf between the haves & have-nots that has ever existed, and ushered in an age of unprecedented suffering & violence never before seen on Earth.

The vast majority of your fellow humans live a nightmare of poverty & hardship, in the shadow of the tiny fraction of wealthy & spoiled elite who actually benefit from our wonderful technologies.

Once you understand the enormity & potency of this reality, as well as our complicity in creating & maintaining it, there is only one word which properly describes your mental state...

Shame.

Some of you will have seen my recent "HawkMan" diatribes in other threads, as well as my sig. I'm doing a bit of "tongue in cheek" teasing of course, but I'm also meaning to imply something else.

I'm trying to illuminate a central component of our worldview & assumptions about our place in it.

It really matters very little which belief system you examine... at the very core of almost every ideology, there is a common idea.

And it's the message of HawkMan:

Because I can.

Without knowing it, you are almost all disciples of HawkMan.

HawkMan, Allah, Jesus, Vishnu... whatever.

Whatever else they do, man's belief systems have concentrated the wealth of our planet for a tiny group, at the expense of the exploited billions...

Is it fair to observe that we didn't really know any better?

Probably...

But then again... now you do know.


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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby Aaron » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 12:49:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')You fart-knocker"


I know just what you mean...
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby green_achers » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 13:52:36

Get used to the bipolar economy. The good times are by no means over. They'll just be sandwiched between increasingly longer and lower bad times.
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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby XOVERX » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 14:21:31

My instinct says "elections," but I haven't yet seen the empirical evidence of same. I suspect it's there, but maybe it's all markets.
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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby EndDays » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 14:52:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'I')'m trying to illuminate a central component of our worldview & assumptions about our place in it.

It really matters very little which belief system you examine... at the very core of almost every ideology, there is a common idea.

And it's the message of HawkMan:

Because I can.

Without knowing it, you are almost all disciples of HawkMan.

HawkMan, Allah, Jesus, Vishnu... whatever.



Here's the other side of that.

The Bible does prophesize about a coming time where the whole world, minus the followers of Christ will worship the Beast. So your idea is not new, in fact there is a huge world movement to unite the "religions". But therein lies the problem, and God warned us about it.

Christ is not "religion", a belief system or a series of rituals, He is alive and He is our only Saviour. Christianity is about a restored relationship with our living God, not trying to be "good" enough to get to Him, because we can't. Christ did all the work for us, we just need to repent and trust Him.

Its a love I'll never quite fully understand, but He did it anyway for people as rotten as us.

For what you're saying about those other people - there is no other way, because Christ and Christ alone paid the penalty for our sins, thus without Him, we remain dead in sin, seperated from God and will face God's Wrath on Judgment Day.

Creating an idol named HawkMan will not change that, Aaron and I say that because I care.

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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby Aaron » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 17:37:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')hrist alone paid the penalty for our sins


What penalty?

You mean getting tortured & killed?

Pfft... not much of a penalty if you're the immortal son of God.

I'm sure it's not pleasant, but plenty of folks get worse... & without the safety net of being Jesus...

Now stop hijacking this thread please.

Unless you wish to embrace HawkMan's cruel, but just congregation that is...

:)


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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby TWilliam » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 17:42:48

Damn I want some of that good shit y'all been smokin'... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: What is going on???

Unread postby Golgo13 » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 17:47:19

That test in your sig is a bit dishonest, EndDays, because getting to heaven in the Christian doctrine has absolutely nothing to do with being good. "Goodness" doesn't even begin to enter the picture at any point as a criteria for admittance.

Not making it to heaven (and all it entails) is decidedly a punishment for not being Christian™.

A much more honest, direct, and concise approach would have been to simply ask if the person was Christian™ enough to go to heaven. Assuming it's even possible, that is.

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