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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 21:07:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mortifiedpenguin', 'W')e are the SAME FUCKING SPECIES!!!!! What the hell is wrong with everyone?


Every species exhibits some degree of hostility towards other members of it's species. These hostilities are radically increased by overpopulation. Put 100 wolves into a one acre pen and watch what happens.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mortifiedpenguin', 'W')HAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH US?????????


Nothing's wrong with us. Our planet is radically overcrowded(infested?) with humans and we are responding to the very healthy instincts that nature gave us to try and rectify the problem. The only thing wrong with us is that the breeders are popping out children faster than the wars can kill them off.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby dbuckley » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 21:08:31

I cant find the quote, but it goes something like: Nice people fit in with (or it might have been accept) their environment, nasty people make the environment fit around them. Therefore, all progress comes from nasty people.

Some nasty people have really big visions, and that leads to really big bad things, like bombs and wars.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby mgibbons19 » Sat 02 Sep 2006, 21:13:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 'D')oes anyone here care that this poor chap seems to have topped himself primarily because he has bought into the alarmist pessimist take on peak oil?



Dangerous kool aid indeed. Maybe someone can track down the ip and find out?
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby TheTurtle » Sun 03 Sep 2006, 08:24:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mgibbons19', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 'D')oes anyone here care that this poor chap seems to have topped himself primarily because he has bought into the alarmist pessimist take on peak oil?



Dangerous kool aid indeed. Maybe someone can track down the ip and find out?


It looks to me as though the poor chap has just been watching the evening news more than he is buying into the "alarmist pessimist take" here at PO.com. Maybe CNN can track him down.

Besides, just a few days earlier, in another thread we find: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mortifiedpenguin', 'I') believe in Peak Oil. What I don't believe in is a Peak Oil Grand Depression. ... I just don't believe it's going to end like this. We have so many sources of alternative energy. Biodiesel, solar, wind, hydro, nuclear, ethanol, hydrogen, coal, natural gas, geothermal- the list goes on. Granted, we still need to do a lot more research into these things (especially hydrogen, which is a big waste so far), but we're researching these alternatives every day. ... And I wish you all well in the future.
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So if he has gone over the deep end, then it seems more likely because he bought into the naive cornucopian take on peak oil. :P
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 03 Sep 2006, 08:58:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'I') look at your hopelessness and see that it stems from your misunderstanding of who we are.

Here's the Biblical persepective.

We didn't evolve from apes. In fact that very premise is Satan's way of promoting even more pain and death. Why should anyone care about being accountable for their actions if they're told there is no God?

Our true God and Creator created us perfect, in the image of God, but because we disobeyed Him and sin was brought into this world, we also have the consequences that come with it - death, pain, suffering, war, murder, hatred, greed, lust, disease, turmoil etc etc.

This world is a mess because of sin, our seperation from our Holy Creator, and being under God's Wrath.

Thankfully He's made the provision to forgive us through Jesus Christ taking our punishment on Himself.

The test in my signature shows us exactly why this world is in the state its in.

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Why is it that these fundie comments all read exactly the same? Not an original thought in their pinched, enslaved brains . . .


Actually, Christ sets us free from being enslaved. Remember that when you stand before God and He asks you why you rejected His free gift of Salvation.

This is Him warning you about the consequences of dying in sin.

For the original poster, if you are still reading this thread, there is no need to dispair. There is a great Hope and He doesn't turn anyone away no matter what they've done.

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blah blah blah Sin blah God blah Christ blah blah Salvation blah blah Hell blah blah Perdition blah blah blah Sinners blah blah blah!
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby EndDays » Sun 03 Sep 2006, 09:11:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy is it that these fundie comments all read exactly the same? Not an original thought in their pinched, enslaved brains . . .


The human experience is much the same over the countless generations. The nature of sin is the same underneath, only the way it is demonstrated changes under new circumstances. The "big 7" sins are just as real today, impact us just as much, as when Christ walked the streets of Nazareth and Jerusalem. Thus, likewise the remedy. Its a sign of our misplaced pride, not our wisdom, that we think things are so much different in our world of today.


Well said.

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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 03 Sep 2006, 10:00:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy is it that these fundie comments all read exactly the same? Not an original thought in their pinched, enslaved brains . . .


The human experience is much the same over the countless generations. The nature of sin is the same underneath, only the way it is demonstrated changes under new circumstances. The "big 7" sins are just as real today, impact us just as much, as when Christ walked the streets of Nazareth and Jerusalem. Thus, likewise the remedy. Its a sign of our misplaced pride, not our wisdom, that we think things are so much different in our world of today.


Well said.
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The real sin is what religion did to the human race and to the Earth: Go forth and multiply, religion said; spread your dominion over every fish that swimmeth and bird that flyeth and ungulate that creepeth!

And we did. In our ignorance, we followed the pious fat friar and gave him our hard-earned bits of silver. And the result is the current dying planet, the current vale of tears. The starving children, the broken little donkey looking for a kind hand from its mild, long-lashed eyes, and receiving whiplashes instead. (With apologies to Collen McCullough.)

{edited by MQ to remove disruptive verbage}

(I agree with MQ's edit and apologize for my excessively colorful verbiage. The little donkey image gets me a bit upset.)
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby drew » Sun 03 Sep 2006, 10:20:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('keekles', ' ')Vonegut quoting Susan Sontag - "She was asked what she had learned from the Holocaust, and she said that 10 percent of any population is cruel, no matter what, and that 10 percent is merciful, no matter what, and that the remaining 80 percent could be moved in either direction."

You just have to ask yourself which bracket you fit into, and go with it.


I've read a lot of K.V., he is awesome. Sontag's words remind me of another author I once read, and greatly admire, Erich Fromm.

The emminent psychologist/humanist wrote 'The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness' which is the most clearcut and excellent discussion of the subject that I have ever read.

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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby EndDays » Sun 03 Sep 2006, 14:01:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy is it that these fundie comments all read exactly the same? Not an original thought in their pinched, enslaved brains . . .


The human experience is much the same over the countless generations. The nature of sin is the same underneath, only the way it is demonstrated changes under new circumstances. The "big 7" sins are just as real today, impact us just as much, as when Christ walked the streets of Nazareth and Jerusalem. Thus, likewise the remedy. Its a sign of our misplaced pride, not our wisdom, that we think things are so much different in our world of today.


Well said.
ED


The real sin is what religion did to the human race and to the Earth: Go forth and multiply, religion said; spread your dominion over every fish that swimmeth and bird that flyeth and ungulate that creepeth!

And we did. In our ignorance, we followed the pious fat friar and gave him our hard-earned bits of silver. And the result is the current dying planet, the current vale of tears. The starving children, the broken little donkey looking for a kind hand from its mild, long-lashed eyes, and receiving whiplashes instead. (With apologies to Collen McCullough.)

{edited by MQ to remove disruptive verbage}

(I agree with MQ's edit and apologize for my excessively colorful verbiage. The little donkey image gets me a bit upset.)


Yes, our sinful nature has done alot of damage to ourselves and brought on alot of suffering in this world. I hope you're not using that as a reason to discount God's existence. In fact, the very state of our world, our sinful nature and our current conditions fit exactly with what God has told us all along in the His Word, the Bible.

I'm not a religious person at all, that is the misunderstanding of what a Christian is. A Christian is someone who has a reconciled relationship with God, through Christ.

Man created Religions as various attempts to deal with the guilt of sin and to try to reconcile themselves to our Creator, but all fall short because none can erase a person's sins. The penaly for breaking God's Laws must be paid.

That's where Jesus Christ comes in. He's God's way of coming to us, paying the price on the cross, and reconciling us to Him.

So no, I'm not religious at all. I simply have repented and accepted Christ so I have a reconciled relationship with God.

What's remarkable is how you make the automatic connection between being a poor stewart of God's creation and having Faith.

Looking after God's creation is one thing, but worshipping it above God is another.

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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby davep » Sun 03 Sep 2006, 14:05:44

That's lovely for you EndDays. However, with all due respect, others are here to address Peal Oil, not have peoples' belief systems rammed down their throats.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 03 Sep 2006, 14:21:57

Good point, davep.

Why don't we get back on topic?
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby EndDays » Sun 03 Sep 2006, 14:53:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'T')hat's lovely for you EndDays. However, with all due respect, others are here to address Peal Oil, not have peoples' belief systems rammed down their throats.


My intention is never to ram anything down anyone's throat. The reason I posted my original message here was because the original poster sounded like someone losing all hope.

I'm showing him that there is a great hope that exists.

This world has become nauseatingly politically correct, to our own detriment. There are always going to be people upset at me for sharing the Biblical message, there's nothing I can do about it.

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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby davep » Sun 03 Sep 2006, 15:07:07

Fair enough ED.

BTW, I'm not being PC, I just don't believe what you do.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby rogerhb » Sun 03 Sep 2006, 18:26:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', ' ')... the same regurgitated stuff about JC's redeeming features...


I can see why the Romans fed the early Christians to the lions.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 03 Sep 2006, 22:37:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'T')hat's lovely for you EndDays. However, with all due respect, others are here to address Peal Oil, not have peoples' belief systems rammed down their throats.


My intention is never to ram anything down anyone's throat.


Yeah, that's what all the Bible bangers say, even as they force legislation that's slowly pushing the US into a crazed theocracy.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 03 Sep 2006, 22:41:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', ' ')The reason I posted my original message here was because the original poster sounded like someone losing all hope.

I'm showing him that there is a great hope that exists.



Right. Hope exists through mind control achieved via either (1) Prozac or (2) the ministrations of your friendly local Aslan lion.

Take your pick, original poster.

Actually, there's a third alternative: the application of reason.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby rogerhb » Sun 03 Sep 2006, 22:55:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'A')ctually, there's a third alternative: the application of reason.


Unfortunately, after the application of logic and reason you do actually conclude that there is no hope.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'T')here are always going to be people upset at me for sharing the Biblical message, there's nothing I can do about it.


You mean that not sharing is not an option for you.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby Omnitir » Mon 04 Sep 2006, 02:15:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', '
')Hehe Im reading sum of the stuff from your sig links :)

lol, yep, I realise he’s got some pretty far out views in some respects. I certainly don’t agree with everything he says, such as his argument that Jevon’s paradox means we should not strive towards efficiency and sustainability at all – that’s just insane! However his underlying thesis is valid: there are scientific reasons for technological optimism.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby rogerhb » Mon 04 Sep 2006, 03:41:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 'H')owever his underlying thesis is valid: there are scientific reasons for technological optimism.


You can be scientifically optimistic, but it all goes down the pan when you mix the solution with humans. They never go down the maze they way the mice did in the lab.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 04 Sep 2006, 10:47:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'A')ctually, there's a third alternative: the application of reason.


Unfortunately, after the application of logic and reason you do actually conclude that there is no hope.



"Reason" has worked for me so far, rog. I've taken a licking but am still ticking; greet each day with something like a smile.
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