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Unread postby strider3700 » Wed 30 Aug 2006, 16:03:45

I normally do everything myself but this involves changing the service to my house and replacing a power pole which is outside of my not killing myself abilities, so I called an electrician for a quote.

I have put a new pole in and dug the trench needed. I want the following done

Pull the permit,
install a new point of attachment on the pole
install a new 125 amp service on the pole
install a new underground cable from the pole to the home (35 roughly)
replace the 100 amp breaker with a 125 amp breaker(the panel is fine for this)

I was quoted $1654 + taxes.
Now Permit is about $100-$200 here
I'm told the electricians are $90/hour around here.

The quote seems high to me but I'm wondering what others think?
I'm getting a second quote just to see if thats close
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Re: any electricians out there?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Wed 30 Aug 2006, 23:51:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'T')he quote seems high to me but I'm wondering what others think?

Ummm...I was just thinking I should have become an electrician. :shock:
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Unread postby rwwff » Thu 31 Aug 2006, 00:00:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', '
')I was quoted $1654 + taxes.
Now Permit is about $100-$200 here
I'm told the electricians are $90/hour around here.

The quote seems high to me but I'm wondering what others think?
I'm getting a second quote just to see if thats close


Doesn't seem particularly high to me. Did you ask for a comparative quote, replacing the entire panel with a 200 amp SquareD Q0 ?

And if you're going to have them out, and spending bucks, have you given consideration to the additional hardware required to feed your house via the panel with generator or whatever? [Transfer switch, etc..?]
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Re: any electricians out there?

Unread postby strider3700 » Thu 31 Aug 2006, 00:09:20

I've got a second quote coming. I didn't go to the 200 amp service because it requires a whole new panel not just a breaker and I don't have space in the current location to fit the larger 200 amp panels.

I've thought about the transfer switch but instead of going that way I'm sticking with a small second circuit that is completely seperate for my alternative setup in this house. It's cheaper and easy to move with me should I decide this isn't the house with me.
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Re: any electricians out there?

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 31 Aug 2006, 02:43:41

I just ran it by my father in-law and he says that figure is about right.

Depending on where you live, you may be able to do some (perhaps all) of the work yourself and just have a certified electrician inspect it. It might save you a few bucks, but really, would you want to risk it unless you were ABSOLUTELY SURE you knew what you were doing?
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Re: any electricians out there?

Unread postby Doly » Thu 31 Aug 2006, 04:33:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'I')t might save you a few bucks, but really, would you want to risk it unless you were ABSOLUTELY SURE you knew what you were doing?


If an electrician inspects it, what's the problem?

Electricity isn't rocket science, really. A person of average intelligence should be able to get it right if they are careful and they make sure they understand the project they are trying to do.
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Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 31 Aug 2006, 10:30:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'I')t might save you a few bucks, but really, would you want to risk it unless you were ABSOLUTELY SURE you knew what you were doing?


If an electrician inspects it, what's the problem?

Electricity isn't rocket science, really. A person of average intelligence should be able to get it right if they are careful and they make sure they understand the project they are trying to do.


I personally don't have a problem with it. But I make no assumptions about other peoples' confidence. 125 amps is more than sufficient to kill someone, so unless the person is very sure they know what they are doing, I don't reccomend it. Strider sounds like he understands what he's doing, but without knowing him personally, I can't in good concience reccomend he do the work himself without at least mentioning that he could die.
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Re: any electricians out there?

Unread postby Pops » Thu 31 Aug 2006, 10:57:23

A similar deal here in MO cost around $1,000 for a new pole, service drop, 200A service and pulling underground to 2 sub panels each about 40ft away – but that’s out here in the sticks – we don’t even have permits.

Perhaps you could mount the panel, lay the conduit to the house and even pull the wire yourself? Not a big deal since there really isn’t much to goof up and you can’t get hurt if there is no power - you might save a couple hundred bucks doing the grunt work and letting the electrician make the connections?

You can lay out your wire and slide each section of PVC on individually if you want – I ran 300+ feet of 3/0 (or 4/0, I can’t remember) to 3 different buildings that way. 35ft of whatever size you need should pull fairly easy.

Just a couple ideas, but if you have any doubts better to be safe!
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Unread postby strider3700 » Thu 31 Aug 2006, 11:18:36

I've thought about doing it myself however the big issue I run into is even if it's inspected and passed If I go to sell the house within the next 10 years I need to do a crap load of paper work because I did the work myself and it needs to be covered against defects and so on...

I'm not comfortable around this much power but I'm confident I could do the job without killing myself. The big issue is on the downtime between the power company pulling the old service and then hooking the new one up. They won't want to sit around for half a day while I get everything figured out and ready but the electrician should be capable of handling it fast enough to keep them happy.

Smallpoxgirl, After getting this quote I was thinking I should have become an electrician as well, I actually turned down a job that would have payed me as I took my apprenticeship to take this one doing something I've done before and am good at. Looking back on it I made the wrong choice. Always take the job that will train you in more diverse skills.
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Re: any electricians out there?

Unread postby Pops » Thu 31 Aug 2006, 11:40:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', ' ')I'm not comfortable around this much power

Yea buddy, me too!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', ' ')I need to do a crap load of paper work because I did the work myself and it needs to be covered against defects and so on...

In CA the only form I ever had to fill out asked if any work had been done without permits but things might be different up there.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'T')he big issue is on the downtime between the power company pulling the old service and then hooking the new one up.

I have only changed over a service twice (fuse to breakers) and the power company just came out and disconnected the drop and said to call back when we were ready.

Anyway I don't blame you for not wanting to get in that box, makes my hands sweat thinking about it. The hardest part when we pulled power to the shop, barn, etc was horsing that fat wire around to make the connections, I had to use the wrong end of a big cresent wrench to bend that dude.
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Re: any electricians out there?

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 31 Aug 2006, 12:22:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'I') actually turned down a job that would have payed me as I took my apprenticeship to take this one doing something I've done before and am good at. Looking back on it I made the wrong choice. Always take the job that will train you in more diverse skills.


You definitely did. I've often thought about it myself.

To cite my father in law again, he just started his own company after working for 30 years at a major factory. The experience and that one little piece of paper just landed him an $800,000 contract right out of the gate. All told, the job should take them 6 months.

Not too shabby, if you ask me.
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Re: any electricians out there?

Unread postby sparky1 » Thu 31 Aug 2006, 19:01:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'T')he quote seems high to me but I'm wondering what others think?

Ummm...I was just thinking I should have become an electrician. :shock:

Oh yeah. Then you get to deal with:
-Liability insurance-------$400/month
-workers comp------------$10 per $100 of payroll
-Taxes----------------------35% of gross profit (minus materials)
-Lawyers for when some idiot decides to try a little DIY, and burns his own house down and tells the insurance company you were the last one there.
-Gas to drive out to give free estimates to people who think you stick the whole amount in your pocket and the materials cost you nothing
-Listen to people who think "anyone of average intelligence" can do that, why should I pay to get it done. The upside of that is, they usually screw things up so bad, it makes my payments for the whole week :-D

BTW, it takes 26 milliamps to stop a healthy persons heart. 6 milliamps if you have heart problems.
And there is a whole lot you can mess up on "dead" wires. Cut the insulation while pulling it in the conduit, and you get a real purty light show when the power is turned on. Or it may blow out the transformer while the real electrician is hooking it up.
Leave it to the guys who know what they are doing.

That estimate did not sound out of line to me. Have the electrician pull a "load-calc" on your place and see if a 125 amp will be big enough.
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Re: any electricians out there?

Unread postby NEOPO » Thu 31 Aug 2006, 21:19:52

I think that quote is about right.

Better then the $2000 I was quoted for the same work.
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