by Miki » Mon 28 Aug 2006, 04:38:58
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jaws', 'H')ezbollah is the new flagbearer for every pissed-off arab in the Middle East. Learn to respect them.
Hezbollah is Shia and is basically a division of the Iranian army. Iranians are Persians.
1-Hisballah is not a division of the Iranian army. That's American propaganda.They have not fought a single war for Iran; every single time they fought a war against Israel, Israel invaded Lebanon first. They are a resistance army proptecting the sovereignity of the Lebanese territory.
2-Both Iranis and Arabs are mostly Muslim. All Muslims are considered a single nation in Islam.
by Miki » Mon 28 Aug 2006, 04:53:41
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'I')'m still struggling to understand how one could consider what Lebanon suffered a victory?
Ask the Israelis. Ask all the analysts from both sides that have claimed so.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow many more victories like that do you want to endure?
That's irrelevant. They still won *this* war. Hisballah was not disarmed; there's no effective buffer zone protecting Israel. Those were their aims---by your own admission. Thus, they lost.
Moreover, we don't need another war. All we wanted in the first place was to get the prisoners back, to push Israel to negotiate about Shebaa Farms, and to keep Israel out of our territory for good. The UN resolution that Israel granted us covers all that.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ot to say that Israel accomplished much either, but they suffered negligible damage in the process.... And yes, I still have a really, really bad feeling about where this is going in the medium term.
Negligible is a relative term, isn't it? Do you know how much money they lost by having Haifa frozen for 1 month, and in exchange of no political aims? Also, their political face has been damaged greatly both among their people and among the other governments of the world. By the end of the war, both Israel and the US had to put up with a resolution that contradicted every single thing that they wanted to achieve. That resolution was achieved thanks to the pressure of the Arab League that pressured France to confront the US. So by the end of the war you had France and the Arabs against Israel and the US was unable and probably unwilling to continue supporting Israel's failures.
As for the future, Hisballa's policy right now is to restrain itself until the international forces are in place. They won't fall prey to Israel's provocations, and they've been a few already. They want to show the world who is the real aggressor here. And if they don't atack Israel and the international forces are here, how is the IDF going to disarm Hisballah?
And if Hisballah doesn't atack them first, how will the IDF create a new excuse to atack Hisballah in the future when the international forces are observing their every move in Lebanon?
by Doly » Mon 28 Aug 2006, 06:27:20
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'a')nd they didnt think isreal would get sick of that shit sooner or later?
like i said you play with fire your gonna get burned.
sooner or later your gonna get burned.
Oh please. You're the only person in the world that still believes this was about the 2 soldiers. That was an excuse that the IDF used to atack Lebanon because they knew Hisballah was much stronger politically and they were afraid Iran would atack them through Hisballah in the future.
It was a preemptive war by all means, and they failed.
Maybe. But it doesn't take a genius to notice that if you annoy somebody for long enough, they will explode at one point.
by rwwff » Mon 28 Aug 2006, 08:46:57
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'I')t was a preemptive war by all means, and they failed.
Ummm, Miki, by Hezzb's own statements,they admit that they expended 50% of their military capacity; if we grant Israel a 10% piece; that leaves Hezzb with only 40% of its original pre-attack capacity, and a much more difficult resupply position. The loss of some heavy launchers was likely the most significant, long term result for Hezzb.
The most interesting remains the apparent actual deployment of Lebanese forces in the South.
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by Specop_007 » Mon 28 Aug 2006, 09:56:47
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '
')1-Hisballah is not a division of the Iranian army. That's American propaganda.They have not fought a single war for Iran; every single time they fought a war against Israel, Israel invaded Lebanon first. They are a resistance army proptecting the sovereignity of the Lebanese territory.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '
')Oh please. You're the only person in the world that still believes this was about the 2 soldiers. That was an excuse that the IDF used to atack Lebanon because they knew Hisballah was much stronger politically and they were afraid Iran would atack them through Hisballah in the future.
It was a preemptive war by all means, and they failed.
Still doing a good job pushing terrorist propoganda I see.
So first they arent a part of the Iranian army, and then they are, they dont get weapons from Iran but then they do, they arent trained by them but then they are.
How does shoe taste anyways?
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by Miki » Mon 28 Aug 2006, 11:05:55
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'S')till doing a good job pushing terrorist propoganda I see.
So first they arent a part of the Iranian army, and then they are, they dont get weapons from Iran but then they do, they arent trained by them but then they are.
They receive funding from Iran, but they're not part of the Iranian army, just like Israel receives funding from the US and training on how to use US weapons. If you want to claim I said something and then denied it, you'd better show us the posts where I did. Otherwise, please keep your slander to yourself.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow does shoe taste anyways?
I don't know--you tell me.
by Miki » Mon 28 Aug 2006, 11:11:04
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'a')nd they didnt think isreal would get sick of that shit sooner or later?
like i said you play with fire your gonna get burned.
sooner or later your gonna get burned.
Oh please. You're the only person in the world that still believes this was about the 2 soldiers. That was an excuse that the IDF used to atack Lebanon because they knew Hisballah was much stronger politically and they were afraid Iran would atack them through Hisballah in the future.
It was a preemptive war by all means, and they failed.
Maybe. But it doesn't take a genius to notice that if you annoy somebody for long enough, they will explode at one point.
Not when they were annoying you too. Remember this has always been mutual. Israel refused to negotiate the prisoner issue peacefully and they continued to invade our country (air space) on an-going basis without any provocation, as repeatedly reported by the UN forces that have been here since 2000. The IDF made it a point to fly their planes over Lebanese sky and make noises to scare the tourists. Not to mentio that they kept harassing the Lebanese living in the border, telling them where they could fish in Lebanese waters.
by Miki » Mon 28 Aug 2006, 11:23:43
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'I')t was a preemptive war by all means, and they failed.
Ummm, Miki, by Hezzb's own statements,they admit that they expended 50% of their military capacity; if we grant Israel a 10% piece; that leaves Hezzb with only 40% of its original pre-attack capacity, and a much more difficult resupply position. The loss of some heavy launchers was likely the most significant, long term result for Hezzb.
The most interesting remains the apparent actual deployment of Lebanese forces in the South.
Would you please provide us with a source showing that?
As for resupplying (heavy launchers included), they can easily do that whenever it becomes necessary. Who will stop them?
1-If Israel invaded/atacked again, the international forces would be gone in no time and the embargo would be over. If the embargo actually takes place, that is. You can do anything in Lebanon if you have enough money to pay for it, and "buying" a few people at the border/ports/airports (army personnel included) would be more than easy.
2-They always have time to resupply while the international forces get here, which will take several weeks, if not months.
3-The Syrian border won't have any forces, making it all the more easier to break the embargo.
by nwildmand » Mon 28 Aug 2006, 20:30:39
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'H')ow many more victories like that do you want to endure?
That's irrelevant.
no its not answer the question.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'A')nd if Hisballah doesn't atack them first, how will the IDF create a new excuse to atack Hisballah in the future when the international forces are observing their every move in Lebanon?
they will give them an excuse mark my words.
by nwildmand » Mon 28 Aug 2006, 20:39:25
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'N')ot when they were annoying you too. .
you still dont get it. you dont annoy the bull even if he is annoying you. otherwise all you do is get to complain about how your country gets leveled.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '1')-If Israel invaded/atacked again, the international forces would be gone in no time and the embargo would be over. If the embargo actually takes place, that is. You can do anything in Lebanon if you have enough money to pay for it, and "buying" a few people at the border/ports/airports (army personnel included) would be more than easy.
2-They always have time to resupply while the international forces get here, which will take several weeks, if not months.
3-The Syrian border won't have any forces, making it all the more easier to break the embargo.
all the more reasons your country will get anilated again. you lost your land. if you dont get used to it you will just go through much worse than you just did. it is as simple as that.
you will know what shoe tases like soon enough.
