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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby nwildmand » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 14:27:54

jack you are truly evil. i love you in a non gay way.
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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 14:36:21

There is no such thing as evil. Evil is a slave concept.
The whole of human history is a refutation by experiment of the concept of "moral world order". - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby seahorse2 » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 14:57:33

I wouldn't say Bush is effective, I say that Cheney, Rummy, Rove, Wolfowitz, PNAC are effective in using Bush/Executive to execute their agenda.

The executive branch is only as effective as its "balancing" counter-parts are ineffective. In this case, the Congress is completely ineffective. The Courts have yet to be seen, but the primary check on a president/executive comes from Congress, and Congress is AWOL. Thus, we have a country, rightly or wrongly, governed where Article 2 of the Constitution (the executive) is the only source of power.
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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby venky » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 16:53:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'j')ack you are truly evil. i love you in a non gay way.

There is no good or evil. There is just power and those who are too weak to see it.
Right, Jack?
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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby Jack » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 17:02:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'T')here is no such thing as evil. Evil is a slave concept.

Sure there is. To have good, one must have evil; likewise the converse. They are opposite sides of the same coin.
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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby Jack » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 17:03:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'j')ack you are truly evil. i love you in a non gay way.

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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby Jack » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 17:11:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'j')ack you are truly evil. i love you in a non gay way.

There is no good or evil. There is just power and those who are too weak to see it.
Right, Jack?

Much depends on your definition of power, of weakness, of good and of evil.
If by weakness you mean that they are mentally and emotionally flacid, unable to face reality in the world - and, more importantly, within themselves - then it is true that they have decided to shut their eyes and remain blind to truth. Blind, they are powerless.
If by power you mean understanding the self, recognizing the true will, realizing who and what you are - and living according to that truth - then yes, one need only open their eyes to grasp power. Most prefer blindness.
And yet - I sense those were not your meanings. Open your eyes. Then you will see the world and its people as they are. 8)
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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 17:51:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'T')here is no such thing as evil. Evil is a slave concept.

Sure there is. To have good, one must have evil; likewise the converse. They are opposite sides of the same coin.

Good is just as imaginary a concept as evil.
Good is the name the slave takes to himself to feel better about his misfortune, just as evil is the name the slave gives to his overseers.
"You steal from me. You beat me and work me to death, therefore you are evil. I lack the ability to visit those same agonies upon you, therefore I am good. I am morally superior because I lack the ability to inflict the suffering you can."
It gives hope to those who have none. It gives the weak the illusion of the strength they need to continue enduring thier miserable existance, but in reality, all it does is bind them eternally to it. To truly gain mastery over one's self and one's surroundings, one must abandon the notions of good and evil. To embrace the true nature of self that has been nearly driven from the collective spirit is the only true path to self mastery.
There is no good or evil, there is only idealism and realism.
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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby rogerhb » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 17:52:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'H')e knew how to negotiate and he did not resort to preemptive wars before even trying to find peaceful solutions.

Hm, what about the attempted helicopter rescue op that crashed in the desert on it's way to the US embassey in Tehran?
Seems the Republicans did an excellent job of negotiating a release after Carter was out of office.
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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby Lighthouse » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 04:01:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', '.')..and couldn't get re-elected...

Yes because Americans willingly bought Reagans unsustainable promises of never-ending growth and therefore lost a 30 years advantage.
Don't worry, your unlimited resource of weaponry will make up for lack of vision. Australia, at least our government has unlimited faith in the USA.
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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 08:16:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'D')on't worry, your unlimited resource of weaponry will make up for lack of vision. Australia, at least our government has unlimited faith in the USA.

Apparently Howard helped invade Iraq so he could sell wheat....
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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby Miki » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 12:20:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'j')ack you are truly evil. i love you in a non gay way.

And why not in a gay way? Peak Oil is coming so you shouldn't get too picky. Besides, Jack would make for a great partner in a PO era with all his survival skills.
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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby Jack » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 14:55:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'j')ack you are truly evil. i love you in a non gay way.

And why not in a gay way? Peak Oil is coming so you shouldn't get too picky. Besides, Jack would make for a great partner in a PO era with all his survival skills.

There will be, I think, an abundance - an over-abundance, actually - of third worlders who will sell themselves into defacto slavery for minimal subsistance. So those of us with the will to survive can be very picky. If a minor engagement, such as we saw in Lebanon, resulted in people going for days without food, I suspect that one could buy almost any service one wanted for a small portion of food.
By the way, I hear that the Islamic countries have an interesting approach. Since women have few career opportunities, those who must earn a living enter into short term marriages - 30 minutes or so - in exchange for a modest fee. As the middle east descends into chaos, I wonder if this might not become more common over there.
I am reminded of the Chinese character for crises, which combines the characters for danger and for opportunity.
Hmm...I wonder how many slaves I should acquire? 8)
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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby erl » Fri 25 Aug 2006, 13:30:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'S')eems the Republicans did an excellent job of negotiating a release after Carter was out of office.

You are re-writing history there, Roger. The hostages from Iran were released on the day of Reagan's inauguration. Carter was out of office, what, ten minutes?
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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby Miki » Fri 25 Aug 2006, 14:14:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'T')here will be, I think, an abundance - an over-abundance, actually - of third worlders who will sell themselves into defacto slavery for minimal subsistance. So those of us with the will to survive can be very picky. If a minor engagement, such as we saw in Lebanon, resulted in people going for days without food, I suspect that one could buy almost any service one wanted for a small portion of food.

I wouldn't count on that. The poorer people are, the more violently they're willing to behave to improve their situation. And guess who gets to be the victim of the violence?
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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby rwwff » Fri 25 Aug 2006, 14:18:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'I') wouldn't count on that. The poorer people are, the more violently they're willing to behave to improve their situation. And guess who gets to be the victim of the violence?

Fantasy would suggest the rich.
Ground truth of prior incidents suggests: other poor people.
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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby Miki » Fri 25 Aug 2006, 14:27:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'I') wouldn't count on that. The poorer people are, the more violently they're willing to behave to improve their situation. And guess who gets to be the victim of the violence?

Fantasy would suggest the rich.
Ground truth of prior incidents suggests: other poor people.

Hmmm...I guess the French Revolution attests otherwise; the same applies to the violence in LatinAmerica, where armed robbery is always targeted at those who belong to the middle/upper classes. Whenever the poor tried to steal other poor, they were not sent to the police---the people of their poor community took care of them, and quite violently.
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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby rwwff » Fri 25 Aug 2006, 14:39:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'H')mmm...I guess the French Revolution attests otherwise; the same applies to the violence in LatinAmerica, where armed robbery is always targeted at those who belong to the middle/upper classes. Whenever the poor tried to steal other poor, they were not sent to the police---the people of their poor community took care of them, and quite violently.

Its hard to prove really; and it is certainly the case that when Jose CEO is abducted the media notices. But do they notice when Maria and her two kids in a small hut next to a plantation, who haven't eaten 500 cal/day each in over a year simply do not get up for work the next morning?
In the French revolutions, sure they got some bigwigs, chopped off their heads, made a big show. Did anyone go around and count the number of folks in the countryside that quietly starved to death, or those that died in Napolean's army later. Do you think that army was made up of aristocracy?
Yes, more famous rich people died, than famous poor people.
That is only true because there are virtually no famous poor people.
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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby Jack » Fri 25 Aug 2006, 16:28:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'H')mmm...I guess the French Revolution attests otherwise;

The French aristocracy expected others to defend them.
I intend to go out with a gun in my hand and a curse on my lips.
Who knows, maybe that will buy me a ticket to the Goddess Skadhi's icy realm. It is said that her heart is solid ice, that ravening wolves roam her domain, and she favors those who seek revenge. In short, the perfect place to spend eternity. 8)
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Re: The US & Israel Stand Alone: Interview with Jimmy Ca

Unread postby seahorse2 » Fri 25 Aug 2006, 16:33:00

Jack, If you go down with a gun in your hand cursing you are going to Valhalla, not some Goddess' icy realm.Valhalla
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