[larrydallas]

Many of you will know why I say that but it can all be sumed up by saying I have become disillusioned in life. Actually, it has all to do with what is going on in the USA these days.

I was one of the sheeple up until 911 when I was a senior in college. My whole life I actually believed that if I followed the rules, lived a clean life, did my studies, and got a good job the rest would fall into place and I'd live the so called American Dream.

In recent months and the past 4 years it was all shattered.

Just to name a few things:

corporate corruption
looting the economy
culture of fear and hate
open racism
merger of church and state
election fraud
and most recenlty cold blooded murder on TV in Iraq.

The most frustrating thing is how about 1/2 the country thinks this is being on the right track. That is the one part that is so dissapointing.

Peak oil will smack people no matter where they live but I don't want to be part of this anymore.

I've been with my compnay since 1998 but I would give it up in a moment if I could live a life in Canada in a better cultural atmoshpere even if it meant I made way less money and had to do some job which meant I was under employed.

I've looked at the Canadian immigration web pages but they do not clearly say how to go about getting entry and dual citizenship. They just focus on immigrants from outside of North America.

This decision has nothing to do with peak oil. It is more of a social pathology which I have become fed up being a part of.

I have been to Toronto numerous times and it feels like a different planet. People are generally much more hospitable and trusting of each other. Perfect strangers greeted me on the street and there seems to just be more fundamental humanity in people.

Make eye contact with a strager in Toronto and they will either smile, say hello, or approach you. Do the same in the US and odds are they will go into parnoid mode and think you are getting ready to assault them. Rarely are there exceptions to the rule here.

How do I go about getting my papers in order?

I highly suggest you do this as well if you are under 40 years old. Once they start the draft there will be no exit to Canada if you are a US citizen and want to go sit it out over there. See the Canadian immigration web page for this law.

If you become a dual citizen prior to the draft or at least have the ball rolling you may be able to by pass that law.

Any Canadians reading this who are looking to hire someone....I am available!

I have 7 years experience in the rental property industry as well as 3.5 years in the airline industry.

I also worked in a retail store for 4 years while a student.

I am willing to learn anything...just hire me and help me get out of the USASSR.

[pepper2000]

Immigration to Canada, from what I hear, is harder than one would think. You have to prove you have a reason for going there, such as having a job lined up.

I rejected the idea of going to graduate school in Canada but now I'm thinking maybe I should have. My reasons are pretty narrow: I have heard from other American expatriots that dating is easier in some other countries.

The way things are in the US today won't last forever. Nothing does.

[Sencha]

I don't know if I can help you all that much, but from what I heard, it takes at least five years to become a fully fledged Canadian citizen. But, I also heard that the easiest and quickest way to get Canadian citizenship is by marrying a Canadian.

[BastardSquad]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('larrydallas', 'M')any of you will know why I say that but it can all be sumed up by saying I have become disillusioned in life. Actually, it has all to do with what is going on in the USA these days.

I was one of the sheeple up until 911 when I was a senior in college. My whole life I actually believed that if I followed the rules, lived a clean life, did my studies, and got a good job the rest would fall into place and I'd live the so called American Dream.

In recent months and the past 4 years it was all shattered.

Just to name a few things:

corporate corruption
looting the economy
culture of fear and hate
open racism
merger of church and state
election fraud
and most recenlty cold blooded murder on TV in Iraq.

The most frustrating thing is how about 1/2 the country thinks this is being on the right track. That is the one part that is so dissapointing..

[Cool Hand Linc]

LarryDallas,

I saw a different side of this most recent issue on TV in Iraq that you meantion. Earlier this same day a few doors down from this incident a man was boobie trapped and blew himself up killing the three troops who were attempting to take him alive.

What you call cold blooded murder is what I call responding the the enemy based on the actions they continue to display.

Our troops over their are constantly dealling with boobie traps and suicide bombers and oh yes the guys with guns and RPG's.

[Guest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MissingLink', 'L')arryDallas,

I saw a different side of this most recent issue on TV in Iraq that you meantion. Earlier this same day a few doors down from this incident a man was boobie trapped and blew himself up killing the three troops who were attempting to take him alive.

What you call cold blooded murder is what I call responding the the enemy based on the actions they continue to display.

Our troops over their are constantly dealling with boobie traps and suicide bombers and oh yes the guys with guns and RPG's.

[Guest]

Larry: I sympathize with your disillusionment. Lots of us feel it.

But the sad fact is that moving to Canada is no panacea. They have oil and gas (methane dominates, as the Arctic melts!) and tar sands and forests and potable water and, due to global warming, a great shipping lane (The Northwest Passage will become a reality).

The Powers That Be (corporate, financial, government, etc) will get tired of dealing with Canada on the basis of it being a separate country. At that time, threats will be made, troops will come in, the country will be annexed, and the provinces made into states. You will be a US citizen whether you stay here or go there...and if you go there, you will be considered a Dangerous Threat under the Patriot Act, and you may find yourself arrested and then "vanished."

Sorry. Know that sounds radically conspiracy theoretical, but that is the way it is going to be. May as well just stay here, then move to Canada when it's annexed--if you can. I really hate to be downbeat to you, but reality is reality, and the best thing you can do is appreciate each day, determine what really matters to you, hold true to your morals/ethics, and build your life around that, not socio-economic stuff, cuz that's gonna be blowing in the wind....

[rerere]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('larrydallas', '
')Just to name a few things:

corporate corruption
looting the economy
culture of fear and hate
open racism
merger of church and state
election fraud
and most recenlty cold blooded murder on TV in Iraq.

I am willing to learn anything...just hire me and help me get out of the USASSR.

[larrydallas]

I have read on some internet blogs that Canada requires immigrants from the US to have a college diploma now. Not a problem for me but just something to throw out there.

I have really been thinking of perhaps getting a masters in education in Canada and thus citing a reason to go there. The teachers there are required to have a license to teach as plumbers in the US are required to have one to work on water heaters. I never really considered teaching before but it is looking better and better.

The general population of the country is more aware of these global events and who knows....maybe one of my students may bring up peak oil in class. Man I would be given so much hope for the future if I heard young people talk about even 5% of what is discussed on this forum.




As for the person with the boobie trap dead body thing.....for one it is THEIR COUNTRY that was invaded and now it has become troops "helping" people who do not want to be helped. If you define help as machine gunning someone's head off.

Really, what is the mission of the troops now?

And please spare me the building a democracy lie when we don't have it here with things like "free speech zones" and the gutting of the CIA mainly of persons who disagree with the administration.

Secondly, I have also read up on how Rumsfeld made it the policy of the troop convoys to carry candy in Iraq and offer it to children in hostile areas to get them near their vehicles and use as human sheilds. The are hoping the resistance fighters do not attack since Iraqi children could be hurt.

That is just as unsubstansiated and your theroy on what was clearly a homocide by a psycho who if he comes back alive may get a job with local law enforcement and deal with you under the Patriot Act at a traffic stop. The penalty for speeding may become 3 bullets in the head now. I am again very dissapointed by your response to the incident. This sort of acceptance of criminal behavior is what has landed us where we are today.



As for the annexation of Canada...I think it highly unlikley because of 2 reasons.

The gun nuts (mainly whites) and angry poor classes of people will kill e/o in mass numbers if we go into a steep drop on the downward slope. I doubt an army of reservists will be able to be assembled if it comes to that. The culture here is me me me.

If the slope is just as bad in Canada I doubt they will kill e/o at levels like in the US. They stand a better chance of keeping some order and still having a military to defend their country. I will link it if I find it but the Canadian military has been doing exercises with 200,000 troops which are simulating proetction of their oil and gas reserves. Geee I wonder why?

If the US is aggressive towards the Canadians I would think the govt. of Canada will be suspicious of people with dual citizenship as I would be. But, I am sure they would still give me due process and not charge me with thought crimes since their legal system was not raped as the Constitution was here.

If it came between being considered a suspicious guy in Canada at the very end or living in the USASSR at the end I pick Canada.

It is so frightening to think what people here would do to e/o when they don't have work, food, transportation, etc....it would be such a madhouse.

Canada would not be some la la land but in the people there I see more of a trust and thinking that people are fundamentally good. In other words they would be less likely to cut your throat for a small item.

If marriage is the fastest way I might re-adjust my whole plan for life (not just about where to live and what to do) and start considering Canadian women in graduate school to marry. The ideal would be getting into a school, getting the immigartion for studies, finding a wife, getting licensed to teach, and just go back to living life day by day without having this unshakeable feeling of impending doom and dis-illusionment.

I am sure I would never in a billion years thought about this move and that my outlook on life would be so smashed if it were just 2000.

Just as it went from such hope to what it is now I hope it will go from this to feeling as if I am at least part of something good and feel a sense of belonging to the community in and after the next few years if this plan materializes.

[nero]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Powers That Be (corporate, financial, government, etc) will get tired of dealing with Canada on the basis of it being a separate country. At that time, threats will be made, troops will come in, the country will be annexed, and the provinces made into states.

[nero]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') will link it if I find it but the Canadian military has been doing exercises with 200,000 troops which are simulating proetction of their oil and gas reserves. Geee I wonder why?

[nero]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') have been to Toronto numerous times and it feels like a different planet. People are generally much more hospitable and trusting of each other. Perfect strangers greeted me on the street and there seems to just be more fundamental humanity in people.

[Cool Hand Linc]

Matt,

I don't recall anything about a majority of Jews fighting against the Germans. Very few incidents of the Jews fighting back against the Germans are noted in history from what I remember. I am not a historian or expert in history but I don't feel like a parrallel between Jews of WWII or the Iraqi people who are fighting today exists.

The Iraqi people are not being lead by the millions into gas chambers.

Jews were not removing people from their homes at all times of the day and night to be taken tortured.

The Jews were not going out and making attacks against people through out the world before WWII.

Your mixing apples and oranges to prove a point only shows the weakness of your position.

Is the taking of unarmed people, then while they are bound. Letting them plead for their life. The hacking off the head, making sure to cut the spin last so the person feels as much pain as possible before the final out come of dead occurs. Video taping such acts as it occurs. OK?

I certainly feel the shooting of a man who is displaying the same actions as a man who had just blown himself up in the same neighborhood just a few hours earlier as being a combatant is justified. If the choosen method of attack is to lie on the floor and wait until the enemy appraoches then blow yourself up. For a soldier it becomes increasingly difficult to determine who is a combatant and who is not.

Not cold blooded murder as you are attempting to portray it.

[Barbara]

Check about Europe. In some countries, if you can demonstrate a local ancestor (like Ireland or Italy), you can get instant dual citizenship.
People are friendly as well and you'll be far from troubles when TSHTF.

[Cool Hand Linc]

Hey, LarryDallas
You could just go ahead and move and worry about becoming a citizen later. Canada is a good country with good people.

[Madpaddy]

Hi Larry,

You must have Irish ancestry somewhere in your past. Come over here and enjoy the highest standard of living in the world (it said so on the news today). Funny thing though - my friend is about to marry a Canadian and they want to move to Canada also. They casn't stick the high cost of living here. Americans are still fondly regarded here even if most of us think the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

BTW Ireland is probably the most oil dependant country on the planet due to our pathetic efforts at renewable energy.


Climate is mild though and we have limitless amounts of clean water.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'C')ome over here and enjoy the highest standard of living in the world (it said so on the news today).

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('larrydallas', 'M')any of you will know why I say that but it can all be sumed up by saying I have become disillusioned in life. Actually, it has all to do with what is going on in the USA these days.

I've been with my compnay since 1998 but I would give it up in a moment if I could live a life in Canada

[Madpaddy]

Spec,

That survey was done by the economist and the general reaction here was what the f..k are they talking about. A night out with a few beers for a couple will set you back $200 at least. Maybe they meant most expensive country in the world.

BTW - what makes you think I'm not happy.

I'm even happier after a few shots of Jameson

[KiddieKorral]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'H')i Larry,

You must have Irish ancestry somewhere in your past. Come over here and enjoy the highest standard of living in the world (it said so on the news today).