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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby Eli » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 14:12:24

lateralus

The main reason I don't like George Bush is he is an idiot. Really I have not one clue what the man really believes but what I can say is that from all that I have seen him say and do, he is most definitely a very crappy president.

Ej you are right on about the anti-Christ. Everything is set up now for him to make his entrance any day now.

When we see someone come to the forefront and negotiate a peace between Israel and the Arabs, that is where he will come into power.
A one world system set up by men is going to be the kingdom of the anti-Christ. When he negotiates this peace the US and Europe are going to make sure he has all the money he needs.

Peace in this world without Christ is going to be a very seductive thing.
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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby lateralus » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 15:09:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'Y')eah people are odd like that, they can want something to be true so badly and sometimes even bad things, that they find a way to get it to happen. That in itself is a deception.


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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 15:37:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', '.')..I'm betting on something called eternal life...a chance to live forever...


...which is, of course, the reason and purpose for the development of all religious belief systems. We are so frightened of the idea that our existence will end that we have concocted fantastically complex mythical fabrications, all designed to convince us that we will somehow go on and on forever, immortal and serene, euphorically happy in "paradise".

I'm very sorry, EJ, but you are going to lose your bet.
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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby EndDays » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 21:04:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesertBear2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '
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Our true Saviour, Jesus Christ, didn't rescue us for a better earthly life, He died on the cross to take our punishment for our sins on Himself.


I don't get it....if Jesus took punishment for our sins, how come Christians still threaten everybody with flames and hellfire? There should not be any flames or hellfire if this is correct.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'G')od is Holy and Perfect


If God is perfect, why would he need a bloody and horrible human sacrifice of Jesus to make his point? Why couldn't he have just had a thousand burning bushes and told everyone that they are forgiven? And could Jesus have been better employed in spreading god's word by going on an international speaking tour instead of undergoing a torturous blood sacrifice in a hellish backwater of the Roman Empire?

None of this Christian dogma makes any sense to me.


Take a second look at the Cross of Jesus Christ.

This is God taking our punishment on Himself! The idea that the cross was so bloody and horrific shows us just how much God loves us. God would rather leave the glory and honour of the throne in Heaven, come down to live as a man, live extremely humbly, and die a horrific death as the atonement for our sins.

While it is the utmost of love, it is also God showing us how serious sin is.

Jesus' sacrafice did not remove Hell, Jesus died to create the bridge back to God. Ever since the fall, we have been seperated from Him. Jesus provided the way for those who are born again - those who've repented and put their trust in Christ alone for Salvation. He was also clear there is no other way, but it makes sense because any other attempt to reach God results in still dying in our sins.

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6)

The rest are still going to perish in Hell because they've broken God's Laws and will face God on Judgment Day in their sin.

Faith in Christ is the vehicle which God saves us.

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from youselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast. " (Eph. 2:8,9)

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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby EndDays » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 21:06:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'W')ell if I do lose it I won't really care will I? But your point is well taken. What should that mean, if there is no heaven (John Lennon -Imagine has that premise)? Wellit could mean I only get one life and there is no reason to be a good person at all, simply get what makes me happy. Some defend against that by saying you would still want a peaceful society and a kind society. I don't know. Betting on an afterlife when there isn't one is a bet I can afford to lose. I still try to live my life here with a clean conscience, and that makes me a very bad liar. So as long everyone regardless of religion decides to participate in a peaceful and law abiding society the afterlife issue remains a matter of personal preference or faith. If however I win Zardoz, I hope not to find that you have lost. Cheers


John Lennon's Imagine sounds like the Antichrist's kingdom.

Do you think its a coincidence these were the same goals of the original Illuminati, and another coincidence that it seems to be where our world is headed?

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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 21:07:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'T')his is God taking our punishment on Himself!


Alternatively it was the figurehead of a suicide cult reaching the climax of his career.
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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 21:27:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'Y')eah, that one does'nt fly although the joke is a bit funny.


There we're plenty of reincarnation cults around at that time. Christianity takes many of it's key "unique elements" from Mithrasism.
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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby EndDays » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 21:35:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'T')his is God taking our punishment on Himself!


Alternatively it was the figurehead of a suicide cult reaching the climax of his career.


"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." ( 1 Corinthians 1:18 )

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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby EndDays » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 21:46:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'Y')eah, that one does'nt fly although the joke is a bit funny.


There we're plenty of reincarnation cults around at that time. Christianity takes many of it's key "unique elements" from Mithrasism.


But herein lies your problem.

You're telling Christians, who have a relationship with Christ, who know Him, who've seen Him at work - that He's not there.

I can't speak for EJ, but I often smile when people try to convince me He's not there.

You're forgetting that Christ is alive.

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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby lateralus » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 21:51:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '
')You're forgetting that Christ is alive.


Metaphorically you mean...or literally?
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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 21:51:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'Y')ou're telling Christians .... who've seen Him at work


Glad he's got a job these days.
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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby EndDays » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 22:18:34

Amen to that.

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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby EndDays » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 22:19:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '
')You're forgetting that Christ is alive.


Metaphorically you mean...or literally?


Literally, of course.

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Re: Starting to Believe Again

Unread postby DesertBear2 » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 23:12:03

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Faith means trusting in the faithfulness of God, thus if you do not believe God is real and God is good you cannot have faith that saves.


I am not sure how you can describe the Christian god as good. The Old Testament is packed full of the vengeance of the god of Israel- and the many cities which god supposedly ordered put to the sword is exhibit number one. How could anyone label as good a god who orders women, children, and old people put to the sword by the tens and even hundreds of thousands??

However, I have faith.

I have faith that the creator of the universe would not go around ordering human blood sacrifices.

I have faith that such a creator would have a thousand ways in which to lead his children to knowledge other than to threaten them with hell and antichrists etc.

I have faith that the creator gave humans a brain in order to think and question- not blindly accept the fantastic hallucinations of demented priests as is found in Revelations.

I have faith that the creator would not expect me to accept such fantastic inventions as devils, demons, angels, virgin births, resurrections, torturous hells etc when I have neither seen these things nor have I seen a single verifiable fact that supports the existence of these claims.

And the analogy is made between a human father and the Christian god as a father.....let me ask you this........

Would even the most evil human father condemn one of his children to an eternity of torment just because that child did not immediately accept his fathers viewpoint?
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What a pile of dung!

Unread postby WellHung » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 03:08:15

Read this folks and see how the psyche of a past generation has been transmitted to the present minds of certain people:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la- ... 5210.story

Scary shit ladies!
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