[jdumars]

Please feel free to flame away on me here, but ARRRRGH!!! I HATE POTHEADS!! And I am so sick of this hemp issue I could spew. Here in Oregon there's a 'legalize it' campaign every election, and the requisite 'let's put hemp in everything' products at the co-op, and listless, dull-eyed do-nothings begging for spare change on every corner... I recently had the displeasure of dealing with one of these hemp advocates for a benefit concert I threw for an injured friend. This person spent the whole night talking about being a shaman bringing the magic healing herb to the people... and then when one of the guests got sick from too much alcohol, he freaked out and tried to FORCE her to smoke a joint so she wouldn't be nauseous. Hemp may be the greatest thing since oxygen, but as long as it's being represented by the pro-marijuana crowd, it's NEVER going get any traction. This whole "no, no, no, hemp and marijuana are different" crap would be a lot more convincing with different advocates. gah... !!

[hopeless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdumars', 'P')lease feel free to flame away on me here, but ARRRRGH!!! I HATE POTHEADS!! And I am so sick of this hemp issue I could spew. Here in Oregon there's a 'legalize it' campaign every election, and the requisite 'let's put hemp in everything' products at the co-op, and listless, dull-eyed do-nothings begging for spare change on every corner... I recently had the displeasure of dealing with one of these hemp advocates for a benefit concert I threw for an injured friend. This person spent the whole night talking about being a shaman bringing the magic healing herb to the people... and then when one of the guests got sick from too much alcohol, he freaked out and tried to FORCE her to smoke a joint so she wouldn't be nauseous. Hemp may be the greatest thing since oxygen, but as long as it's being represented by the pro-marijuana crowd, it's NEVER going get any traction. This whole "no, no, no, hemp and marijuana are different" crap would be a lot more convincing with different advocates. gah... !!

[Doly]

Marijuana, the same as alcohol, is a matter of moderation. People don't have trouble understanding that somebody may be fond of wine and drink fine wines occassionally and still be a productive and intelligent person, but you can't be an alcoholic and remain productive. The same goes for marijuana. Moderation is all.

[NEOPO]

Ignorance is no excuse.
oh so wise yet ever so much BS.

I laid a little science out on the subject.

No takers?

Perhaps the fact that there IS a THC receptor site in the human brain and that there is NO such site for alcohol and all the other DOPES we like to consume bothers some people?

I can see how this one simple fact basically nukes all the arguments against marijauna yet still...no takers?

AND FLAME AWAY WE SHALL!!!

You just dont like potheads huh mr Dumars???
Well isnt that so very unspecial.

I never liked people who dressed in 50's style clothing and who actually like the mighty mighty bosstones either but I usually just keep that too myself

Its a joke.
You are not portraying the average potsmoker correctly.
You see.......... the average potsmoker does not tell you that he/she smokes....at least not until you are a "friend".
TPTB have demonized it and all drugs except alcohol and doctor prescribed dope.
Your personal experiences or at least the ones you chose to post here do not represent reality....just a pixel of a much bigger picture.

So you know an idiot who smokes pot - that person was an idiot before they started smoking pot!!!
Furthermore the guy who was trying to get or "Force" AS YOU PUT IT the woman who became nauseous to smoke pot was for the most part correct - marijauna/thc helps with nausea yet its best taken before the puke fact rather then after.

Doly - not the same - total BS - wheres your science?

I can partake 3-4 times daily and function just fine yet you probably find that hard to believe.

With the help of the right diet - green tea and other very good supplements - I seem to suffer no ill effects after 23 years of heavy use.

Cancer maybe one day but then again I know people who have cancer and never smoked and people who smoked for 60 years and die of natural causes.
Allow me to obtain all the THC I want and I would probably come up with a paste that I could brush my teeth with etc etc

Perhaps using a trichome packet I could produce a fine THC tea.... ah yes that would be nice.....

Oh BTW - All this time - 23 years "stoned" as some would call it....yeah...... I have been industry trained in telecomm - not the SPEPUP sit behind a moniter type of telecom job although many computer systems were involved - the use your body and mind at the same time type where you actually work and think in an ever changing environment.

From field installations and troubleshooting of circuits both complex and simple such as dsl or isdn to climbing (gaffing or otherwise) poles and most other aspects of this techy career choice.
Oh I have the certificates and degrees to prove it and better then that I have a wage history that basically prices me out of most normal jobs "sir we are sorry but you are very overqualified for this position" etc etc blah ...you mean you dont like paying people what they are worth..... fuckers?!!?!?

You ever hear the phrases "I have forgotten more then you know" and/or "tell me where you will be at today so I know where I will have to go tomorrow" ???

Two weeks OTJ is all I had and then it was off to the wolves at feeding time.
Sink or swim I was told and swim I did - stoned, high, altered or whatever stupid phrase you prefer - the entire time.

Except for the occassional urinalysis for which I can quit for upto 45 days and only slightly feel the need to take the edge off.....sex generally suffices

I learned the truth behind alcohol quite a few years ago and have since lowered my tolerance to that particular poison to the point where now a few beers will put me to sleep.

Tis' a rare occassion when I put my brain to that kind of abuse again.

Ok way too much info about me....... the senseless pothead.

Did you guys/gals even read the links?
Marijauna does not effect dopamine production and in essence that means it is not a dope like ALCOHOL is....period.

Talk about burning brain cells - that happens when you displace oxygen with alcohol in the blood stream.....books ...check em out!!

Maybe thats why everyone seems so fucking stupid most of the time....their brains are grey goo without the help of nanobots.

I wonder if you folks actually believe/d that burn brain cells stuff.

The only thing about smoking pot that burns(kills) brain cells is when you hold your breathe and the better the pot the less you have to hold it.

I am sure that you can find a scientist funded by Merck or Dupont who will disagree with the scientist who found the THC receptor site as disinfo is king these days.

Now - hemp is good for many things and it is not just the pot smokers who are asking for it - its just certain peoples narrow vision that makes them think its only the pot smokers asking for it so the smokers can have more marijauna....... somehow......

Yeah everything is a conspiracy - we all have ulterior motives and only people who smoke pot are paranoid...............................

I might be the exception or perhaps unfounded bigotry and bias are more to blame and I am perfectly normal.

Ok I am done - let the senseless banter resume "ye whom strain at a gnat yet swallow a camel".

Pstarr - thank you.
Indeed - the biggest lies are more likely to be believed.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ipWinston', 'I') refer to an article published in High Times in 1994.

[ipWinston]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ipWinston', 'I') refer to an article published in High Times in 1994.

[Caoimhan]

There is no valid reason why we're not growing industrial hemp in this country. The DEA reasons are a front. Politicians are paid off by all the other industries that would have to compete against this fast growing crop.

As for marijuana... the Canadians have been doing some outstanding research into the physiological effects of all the various cannabinols. (THC is only one of several!).

They are finding amazing anti-inflammatory effects. Anti-nausea effects. And some cannabinols actually retard the replication of cancer cells.

As far as the effects of smoking MJ... in an emergency, adrenaline overrides the soporific effects quite easily. It doesn't leave tar in the lungs. It's far less addictive than nicotine (cannabinols have very mild withdrawl symptoms, if any).

It doesn't cause hypertension or increase the risk of heart disease (as far as we know).

Yes, I know some potheads who abuse it. But then again, I know a few alcoholics. I'll take a pothead over an alcoholic any day of the week.

[greenworm]

Does anybody know the actual EROEI of this plant? I never see it mentioned. For biofuel would they use the entire plant or just the seeds? I know hemp has a lot of biomass as it can grow up to twenty feet, but does all of it get used for energy production. If so, then it will deplete the soil, if only the seeds are used, then it won't deplete the soil as the biomass returned to the microbes will be plentiful to keep it healthy.

[greenworm]

I found on the web that it is often quoted as having a eroei of 2. I also found out the seeds can be comprised of up to 38% oil. The eroei of corn is 1/4 the amount of hemp.

[greenworm]

1

If you google 'hemp eroei' you'll will find more with 2 listed as the eroei. Yet, I cannot find one actual study, is it too taboo?

Hemp hardly gives you a buzz that makes you loco, it probably would give you a headache.

Hemp should be better than the rest due to it's high oil content and biomass.

[denverdave]

Here is something I have been wondering about the last few days: Does Cuba grow industrial hemp. One would think that a desprerately poor yet resourceful country that is not afraid to go against the washington consensus like cuba would be taking full advantage of it if it was truly as great as hemp advocates make it out to be. Does anyone know about this?

[shakespear1]

Being just a humble petroleum engineer I find this issue of hemp quite interesting. I have just read the following article and if only half of it is true than this issue is amazing.

TruthBox

[What2DO]

Would industrial hemp help or hurt America's economy ?

This was the first Industrial hemp plant on american soil since WWII and the only one to date.
Hawaii Hemp

There are lots websites out there that talk about this I would just like to hear from members of PO on this topic and if you think this is just a way to legalize Pot, your wrong it has nothing to do with it, you can get pot just as easy now when its illegal then if its legal. So please just stay on topic and give your opinion on industrial hemp.
Thanks.

[katkinkate]

It could eventually severely dent the profits of many established corporations and could be the basis of whole new companies.

[greenworm]

There are some threads on this already, but I'll just roll some figures at you.

1) eroei is quoted as 2 (4 times corn), however, good luck finding a study that confirms such.
2)There was a time in the not so distant past where industrial hemp could completely replace oil, however, due to population growth, I think it will have to be coupled with electricity to completely replace oil.

You're asking the effects on the economy, it could mitigate the high energy costs we are seeing now, which is a redistribution of wealth (car owner gives money he/she would have devoted to something else to the oil supply chain), thereby allowing a more balanced economy. Is this what you are alluding to when you question it's possible effects on the economy?

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('What2DO', '
')I would just like to hear from members of PO on this topic...

and if you think this is just a way to legalize Pot, your wrong...

So please just stay on topic and give your opinion on industrial hemp.
Thanks.

[What2DO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('What2DO', '
')I would just like to hear from members of PO on this topic...

and if you think this is just a way to legalize Pot, your wrong...

So please just stay on topic and give your opinion on industrial hemp.
Thanks.