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Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby Magus » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 17:35:52

And now, a summary of the situation in Iraq.


U.S. Sends Strykers Into Baghdad

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')at Jul 29, 12:51 PM ET



BAGHDAD (AFP) - The US commander in Iraq confirmed that a 3,700-strong contingent of American combat troops equipped with armoured fighting vehicles is to be brought into Baghdad.

General George Casey said the 172nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team, an Alaska-based unit which has just completed a 12-month tour in northern Iraq, would be deployed to stem a wave of violence in the strife-torn capital.

"This will place our most experienced unit with our most mobile and agile systems in support of our main effort in Baghdad at a decisive time," said Casey, the leader of coalition forces in Iraq, in a statement.

"With the rest of the elements of the plan, this gives us a potentially decisive capability to affect security in Baghdad in the near term," he said.

Baghdad is in the grip of a surge in sectarian violence between rival death squads and militias drawn from the city's Shiite majority and its Sunni neighbours, and Iraqi government forces are struggling to cope.

Earlier this week, US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said the 172nd Brigade's tour of duty would be extended by 120 days, allowing commanders to increase US troop numbers in theatre to around 130,000.

The unit -- nicknamed the "Arctic Wolves" -- is equipped with the "Stryker," a wheeled light armoured car regarded as nimble enough for fighting in cities but with a greater degree of protection than the Humvee utility vehicle.

US officers would not be drawn on when exactly the brigade would arrive in the city, for security reasons.

There are already around 7,000 US troops deployed to maintain security in the capital and support Iraqi forces.



Battle for Baghdad Boils Down to Neighborhoods

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y MICHAEL R. GORDON
Published: July 26, 2006
BAGHDAD, Iraq, July 25 — The Bush administration’s announcement on Tuesday that it will shift more forces to Baghdad is much more than a numbers game. It reflects a new strategy to reclaim control of the Iraqi capital and a new approach for deploying the troops.

The plan is to concentrate on specific neighborhoods rather than distribute the forces throughout the city, control movement in and out of sectors of the capital and try to sweep them of insurgents and violent militias.

In effect, the scheme is a version of the “ink blot” counterinsurgency strategy of grabbing a piece of terrain, stabilizing it and gradually expanding it. Only this time the objective is not a far-flung Iraqi city or town, but the capital, the seat of the fledgling government and home to some seven million Iraqis.

The plan has risks. It will divert American military police from deploying to Anbar Province, where the insurgency continues to rage. And an increased presence of American troops on the ground in Baghdad, where insurgent attacks have soared, carries the potential of more American casualties.

But Baghdad in military parlance is the “center of gravity” for the larger effort to secure the country.

Restoring security in a capital that is tormented by sectarian strife and lawless militias is such an essential task that American commanders are willing to accept a greater degree of risk elsewhere.

Sending in additional troops is an implicit acknowledgment of what every Iraqi in Baghdad already knows: Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki’s original Baghdad security plan has failed.

In the past two weeks, more Iraqi civilians have been killed than have died in Lebanon and Israel.

The additional American forces sent here will include units equipped with Stryker armored vehicles, military police and, essentially, what is left of the American military’s reserve in Kuwait.

To demonstrate that the burden is being shared equally, half of the additional 8,000 troops that will be sent are to be American and half Iraqi.

By securing the city a sector at a time, American and Iraqi commanders hope to allow the Iraqi government to restore essential services and build support and legitimacy among an anxious public.

Once the areas are stabilized, the Iraqi police are to be brought in to maintain control, freeing the American and Iraqi military to extend their reach elsewhere. The Iraqi police are to be accompanied by American military police, who will act as advisers and trainers.

The Americans and the Iraqis are likely to start with the easiest sectors, calculating that they need to demonstrate a measure of success before taking on the most contested areas. Even as they expand their control the American and Iraqi forces will maintain the ability to conduct raids in less secure areas of the city.

The war is a contest of moves and countermoves, and the insurgents and the militias that the new American and Iraqi forces will confront can be expected to strike back.

Some of the forces that are now to go to Baghdad, like the military police, were earmarked for volatile Anbar Province in the west. Building a new police force in the Sunni-dominated Anbar region has been a critical part of the American counterinsurgency effort there. Diverting military police to Baghdad will make that already difficult mission in Anbar even harder.

But it is a trade-off that American commanders are prepared to accept. There are 117 police stations in the Baghdad area, which is where the American command has made its main effort.

“Baghdad is truly a must-win,” said Maj. Gen. William B. Caldwell IV, the senior spokesman for the military command here. “The prime minister has stated it. General Casey has stated it. We have to win in Baghdad. We don’t have an option.”

Mr. Maliki’s original Baghdad security plan entailed the deployment of some 51,000 troops and police officers — including 7,200 American soldiers — and the establishment of new checkpoints.

“In the first 30 days of the Baghdad security plan there was a very slight downtick in the amount of violence,” said a senior American officer, who asked not to be identified because he was not authorized to discuss the issue publicly. “Everybody had very high expectations. They thought it would bring it down dramatically.”

But the violence continued unabated and is now at a high. There has been a vicious cycle in which terrorist bombings have encouraged the Shiites to expand their armed militias, which have in turn alarmed the Sunnis, some of whom have made common cause with the most fanatical insurgents. The spiral of sectarian attacks has become more worrisome to the American command than the insurgency.

There is now a realization that the prime minister’s first plan relied too much on untested Iraqi troops and the Iraqi police. Hence, the increase in American troops and the American military police.

The Stryker units that are being sent will provide the military with a wheeled armored vehicle that can maneuver more easily through the city than a tracked vehicle like an M-1 tank or a Bradley fighting vehicle.

For all the talk of new military deployments, however, the plan will depend mightily on parallel moves by Mr. Maliki’s government to improve the lot of ordinary Iraqis. This is, in the final analysis, an approach that will require the careful synchronization of military, political and economic moves — no small challenge for an Iraqi administration that is still struggling to develop its capacity to govern.

The American and Iraqi forces may temporarily stabilize a neighborhood, but the ultimate loyalty of its residents, many of whom have been sitting on the fence even while they have been desperate for security, will reflect the government’s ability to demonstrate that there are tangible benefits for cooperating.





Who Grieves for Dead Iraqis?

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BY ANDREW GREELEY


The New York Times reported that during recent months a hundred Iraqis die violently every day, 3,000 every month. In terms of size of population, that is the equivalent of 300,000 Americans a month, 10,000 every day. Yet the typical television clip on the evening news -- an explosion, automatic weapon fire, dead bodies on the streets -- has become as much a cliche as the weather report or another loss by the Cubs. The dead Iraqis are of no more value to us than artificial humans in video games. The Iraqis seem less than human, pajama-wearing people with dark skin, hate in their eyes, and a weird religion, screaming in pain over their losses. Weep with them, weep for them?

Why bother?

Rarely do Americans tell themselves that the United States of America, the land of the free and the home of the brave, is responsible for this slaughter. In a spasm of arrogance and power, we destroyed their political and social structure and are now unable to protect them from one another. Their blood is on the hands of our leaders who launched a war on false premises, without adequate forces, without plans for the time after the war and then sent in inept administrators who could not provide even a hint of adequate public services.

As Colin Powell, who knows something about war, unlike the president and his top thinkers, told President Bush, "If you break it, you own it." If you shatter a society, it is yours, and you're responsible for it. The United States shattered Iraq and we are responsible for the ensuing chaos that we are unable to control. So a hundred human beings are killed every day, and the most powerful military in the world (as Messrs. Rumsfeld and Cheney insist) is unable to stop the killing.

On most of the standards for a just war, the invasion of Iraq was criminally unjust. Messrs. Wolfowitz, Cheney and Rumsfeld wanted to invade Iraq the day after the World Trade Center attack. They tried to persuade the people that Iraq was somehow involved in the attack. They insisted that the Iraqis possessed weapons of mass destruction. Their arguments for the war, we all know now, were not true.

There was, therefore, no just cause, no attempt to exhaust all possible alternatives short of war, no real hope for victory, no postwar plan, and no ability to prevent the postwar butchery that was easily predictable to those who understood Iraq. The war leaped from slogan to slogan -- weapons of mass destruction, the critical front in the global war on terror, stay the course, freedom and democracy in Iraq. All these slogans are false.

Were America's leaders deliberately lying? Did they really believe that the Shiites and the Sunnis would not murder one another, or did they know better? One must leave the state of their consciences to God. However, they should have known, and in the objective order, they are criminally responsible for the hundred deaths every day. They should be tried for their crimes, not that such trials are possible in our country.

The hundred who die every day are not merely numbers, they are real human beings. Their deaths are personal disasters for the dead person and also for all those who love them: parents, children, wives, husbands. Most Americans are not outraged. Iraqis are a little less than human. If a hundred people were dying every day in our neighborhoods, we would scream in outrage and horror. Not many of us are lamenting these daily tragedies. Quite the contrary, we wish the newscast would go on to the weather for the next weekend.

Is blood on the hands of those Americans who support the war? Again, one must leave them to heaven. But in the objective order it is difficult to see why they are not responsible for the mass murders. They permitted their leaders to deceive them about the war, often enthusiastically. How can they watch the continuing murders in Iraq and not feel guilty?

How would you feel if the street were drenched with the blood of your son or daughter, if your father was in the hospital with his legs blown off?

We cannot permit ourselves to grieve for Iraqi pain because then we would weep bitter and guilty tears every day.
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby Zardoz » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 17:50:57

And yet, there are those who refuse to call this a "civil war".

Arch-conservative Pat Buchanan said before we invaded that it would be the biggest foreign policy mistake in the history of the nation. Every day, the evidence mounts that he was correct.
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby Magus » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 18:00:07

I found this one line in particular interesting:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he additional American forces sent here will include units equipped with Stryker armored vehicles, military police and, essentially, what is left of the American military’s reserve in Kuwait.


This means that ALL the American forces in the region are comitted in Iraq, with no backup. Consider the implications of this. Suppose if something should go terribly wrong somewhere...
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby Chaparral » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 18:11:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Magus', 'T')his means that ALL the American forces in the region are comitted in Iraq, with no backup. Consider the implications of this. Suppose if something should go terribly wrong somewhere...



A rather weak position on the chessboard. Rooks, bishops and Knights being brought in to protect the king's disintegrating situation while opening the way for enemy pawns to advance.

Maybe now, Hezbollah's actions may begin to make more sense. I've sensed that everything is interconnected but I am unable to develop a clear explanatorally powerful model.
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby Miki » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 18:27:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'A')nd yet, there are those who refuse to call this a "civil war".

Arch-conservative Pat Buchanan said before we invaded that it would be the biggest foreign policy mistake in the history of the nation. Every day, the evidence mounts that he was correct.


Your nation has advocated state-sponsored terrorism against the Middle East for over 40 years now. The slaughter of Irakis, Afghanis, Palestinians, and Lebanese has been the results of your direct or indirect terrorist and autocratic policies, and your arrogance in thinking that the world needs to emulate America.

Irak was only one part of the broader state-sponsored terrorism campaign that your government has implemented in the Middle East. Polls indicate that most Arabs *do not* want American intervention, and that includes Irakis, Lebanese, Afhhanis, and all the rest. When we need help, we'll ask for it. In the meantime, stay away from our land, our resources, and our people. The Arabic countries welcome the American people, but not the American government. The US government is gaining the same reputation that its ally Israel has traditionally had in the Middle East: the reputatio of a bully and a terrorist state.

If your government was minimally decent, they wouldn't be allowing the destruction of Lebanon and the slaughter of Lebanese civilians. The US wants to tell everyone in the world what to do, but their example is deplorable: they do not respect human rights, they use terrorist means to achieve political aims, they use fascist propaganda and corruption to brainwash its people, if they want any resources that don't belong to them, they just steal them through military means and lies, they don't respect the democratic elections of other countries (eg, Hamas), and the list goes on....And they still have the guts to talk about Muslim terrorism! It is indignating and disgusting.

The world has an ever increasing disrespect for "America". Soon enough, the only nation that will respect you will be the Israeli. Your government it's taking its nation backwards to the time of Fascism and war crimes, and downwards in a spiral of increasing deceit, corruption, and violence.
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby Miki » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 18:34:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')aybe now, Hezbollah's actions may begin to make more sense. I've sensed that everything is interconnected but I am unable to develop a clear explanatorally powerful model.


What do you consider Hisballah's role to be?
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby Jack » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 18:39:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'I')f your government was minimally decent, they wouldn't be allowing the destruction of Lebanon and the slaughter of Lebanese civilians.


On the bright side, they are being spared the rigors of a post-peak existence. You'd think they'd be grateful. 8)
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby Miki » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 18:49:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'I')f your government was minimally decent, they wouldn't be allowing the destruction of Lebanon and the slaughter of Lebanese civilians.


On the bright side, they are being spared the rigors of a post-peak existence. You'd think they'd be grateful. 8)



I don't find those jokes funny when my people are dieing in front of my eyes, and my country is being torn to shreads.
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby Chaparral » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 18:51:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')aybe now, Hezbollah's actions may begin to make more sense. I've sensed that everything is interconnected but I am unable to develop a clear explanatorally powerful model.


What do you consider Hisballah's role to be?


I sense that they are a pawn. I fear that Lebanon and all her people are pawns. This upsets me because pawns are frequently sacrificed for no great gain.

Pawns don't move themselves, the hand of the king moves them. The questions I've been asking since the craters in the runway at the Beirut airport opened up is "if Hezbollah cannot militarily defeat Israel, why did they do this?" I am assuming that they knew that Israel would respond the way it has (although I've read the news that they were surprised at the ferocity of the reaction). If my assumptions are correct, and Hezbollah was aware of the destruction that would come, why did it initiate the kidnappings? Is this a battle that MUST be fought and LOST in order to bring about a larger conflict that will be fought and WON?

On the chessboard, is a pawn being sacrificed to gain a bishop? Position? The initiative?

Will the full consquences of this be felt on the stock and commodity exchanges of the world? Will the battle be finished in the halls of the UN? Will this drive a wedge that further divides and fractures the "west"?

Who benefits from this? Is it Israel? Iran? The EU? The USA? Oil producing nations? Russia? China? The House of Saud? The successors to the throne?

I am also operating under the assumption that all parties both seen and hidden, are starting out rational. As seems to be the case with Archduke Ferdinand and WWI, this may not be a correct assumption.
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby Magus » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 19:00:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am also operating under the assumption that all parties both seen and hidden, are starting out rational. As seems to be the case with Archduke Ferdinand and WWI, this may not be a correct assumption.


Assumptions are always dangerous...

Especially when you are dealing with human beings.
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby Zardoz » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 19:09:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chaparral', '.')..Who benefits from this? Is it Israel? Iran? The EU? The USA? Oil producing nations? Russia? China? The House of Saud? The successors to the throne?...


None of the above, and none on any list we could cobble together. If some "unseen hand" is moving chess pieces, it's making bad moves.

The game will end in a stalemate, once again, as it always has in the past. The only result will be pointless death and destruction, and a further ratcheting up of ill will and hostility.
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby Jack » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 19:25:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '
')I don't find those jokes funny when my people are dieing in front of my eyes, and my country is being torn to shreads.


When you consider the population of the area, the demographics, and the ability to produce food - and the likely impact of peak oil - you may find reality far more distressing. It is likely to make the current conflict seem utterly insignificant.

And that, Miki, is no joke.
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby lateralus » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 19:32:32

Wouldn't it make sense for the US to WANT Iraq to be a failed state...of course the administration would never publicly say anything along those lines but...

US troops are not leaving anytime in the next 10-15 years and well.....DIVIDE AND RULE....ahh shucks we can't withdraw because if we did then things could get worse.

That would be my plan if I was world dictator. Stir up sectarian divisions, watch the infrastructure collapse etc...(not that its good for anyone at all but it may be just a part of the overall "plan" of the US Government to maintain a foothold or "Empire" in the region.)

If Iraq was a stable, peace loving democracy tomorrow the pressure to leave would be great........I DON'T THINK THEY WANT TO LEAVE....so divide and rule, keep stirring up shit behind the scenes..I remember the two Brit SAS soldiers dressed up as Arabs with all the explosives....people like that probably blew up the Shia Mosque a few months ago...

Then again I'm not an expert but I do like the game of RISK so I'm kinda qualified. :P
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby Jack » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 21:34:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', 'I')f Iraq was a stable, peace loving democracy tomorrow the pressure to leave would be great........I DON'T THINK THEY WANT TO LEAVE....so divide and rule


Always possible. And, too, three small impoverished states with poor infrastructure and a lack of industry would be highly motivated to sell every drop of crude as quick as they could.

Hmm. 8)
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby foodnotlawns » Sun 30 Jul 2006, 00:14:06

You're absolutely right, Miki.

I feel bad for American soldiers stuck in the Middle East, but pro-war pigs who sit at home and post pictures of nukes and advocate remote control killing symbolize this lame country and all of us in it.

I saw the video Specop posted of the guy who was on the phone with 911 when the building collapsed. It's terrible for that man and his children, but we inflicted that many times over on the Arab world since then.

Has anyone here seen "Valley of the Wolves Irak" ? I think you can find it on Youtube. I ordered it from ebay, and got it shipped from Turkey. I don't know how much of it was fact from fiction, but I can tell you it corresponds with news reporting and it was realistic and ugly.

We are cowards for letting "our" twice unelected government do this. I bet the Arabs are resisting a lot more than we will, when the government drags us off to the "long pig" abbatoirs, slave plantations, organ removal clinics, and work camp gulags.

I'm not a Christian,, but this was a post from a Christian woman I wanted to pass on to you all:

Hezbollah: Model for Manliness
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As I watch the genocidal war crimes being committed against the Lebanese people, I’m struck by the images that come across my television screen. I see women and children badly burned by the illegal chemical weapons our tax dollars provide to the Israelis for the incineration of their enemies; bridges, homes and roadways bombed into oblivion; hundreds of thousands of internal refugees; and death and misery palpable from halfway around the world.

But I must confess that what strikes me the most profoundly is the sight of young Lebanese men marching proudly, as they trample an Israeli flag underfoot. Hezbollah. Many of them don’t even look old enough to shave, and yet, they are truly men. The rest of the world hems and haws at the carnage the Jews have wrought on the once modern and beautiful country of Lebanon. But the average (so-called Christian) American merely echoes the mantra of his Zionist masters as he has been trained to do all his life. Americans confidently state that the Khazar Jews have a right to “defend their country” and that Hezbollah are terrorists, militants, and now, insurgents. What they fail to mention is that those Khazar jews have about as much right to Palestine or Lebanon as the Chinese have to France, i.e., none. They are simply Jewish squatters on Arab land. And the Arabs intend to evict them. That is not terror. That is justice. And that is manly.

So, Mr. Brave Christian Weekend-Warrior, call Hezbollah terrorists if you will, but one thing you cannot call them is: cowardly. With few exceptions, they are the only people brave enough to stand up to the Jew and spit back in his face. They are willing to fight to the death for their homeland, their honor, their religion, and their women. Yes, I said “their women.” You see, unlike you, they will not let the jew pornographers and abortionists defile their culture and turn their women into whores. You have been brainwashed into believing that Muslim women hate their plight of being protected from sexual predators, getting married young, becoming mothers, being treated with respect and dignity, being taken care of in their old age by their children, and living like innocent, strong, beautiful women. To your surprise, they do not seem to miss the beer-guzzling, Playboy reading, commitment-phobic, narcissistic men-children who turn their women over to the Jewish enemy. Their men are truly manning the frontlines, as you strain your back to bow as low as possible before your jew masters, in true lackey fashion. They own you, because you have sold yourselves (and us) out to them. You, Mr. Macho, have become their bitch.

You are the unworthy sons of the great Christian men who built Western Civilization. They were not cowards, and they did not fight for the jew, but for their own religion, for Europe, and for the safety and honor of their women. They kept the evil Khazar monsters locked up in cages where they belong; only to see their descendants unleash those beasts at the time of the Protestant Revolt. How our Christian ancestors must be turning over in their graves. Today, Christian men will only fight against other Christians (World Wars I and II) or against brave, honorable Muslims (World War III), at the behest of the jew. Now, the Christians are the beasts in cages, only allowed out long enough to pimp for their Zionist masters, and buy the latest edition of “Girls Gone Wild.”

Those “girls gone wild” are your sisters and daughters, yet you contribute to their exploitation for your own dirty, secret pleasure. You have abdicated your role as men and defenders of the Faith. You have allowed yourselves to be emasculated by a bunch of ugly, jew feminists. You did not fight for our honor. It is truly stunning how quickly you ceded Western Civilization, deciding that if you can’t beat them, you’ll join them. And so you gleefully set about exploiting our vulnerability, using us like unpaid prostitutes, too weak and selfish to accept your responsibility as head of a family. As a Christian, I do not believe in polygamy, but I can’t help but admire the kind of man who can take care of four wives, and all their offspring; while American men put their one wife to work and then expect her to cook, clean, feed their insatiable egos, and then have to compete with their childish, Jew-inspired fantasies in bed at night.

So admit that you are powerless before the Khazar, step aside, and let “your women” do the fighting. I have only my pen with which to fight, but at least I’m not afraid to wield it, full blast, aimed right at my enemy. Criticize me if you will, but I will pull no punches, use euphemisms, or grovel before my enemies. I have lost too much to them. I will not be their bitch. Unlike you, with your sycophantic pen, when you dare even broach the subject at all, regarding who has usurped the great heritage our ancestors created. You make me ashamed to be an American woman. Muslim women need feel no such shame. Their men would die (and are dying) rather than hand their daughters and sisters over to the Jew to be defiled and degraded. Their honor is safe in the hands of their Muslim mujahadeen. That is manly.

And don’t tell me that Jesus Christ was a pacifist and that you are only turning the other cheek. Christ was not the effete, kumbaya, Birkenstock sandal-wearing, proto-hippie that the liberals would have us believe. He wanted us to love one another but He also believed in justice. Render unto Caesar, and all that. He confronted the Pharisees face to face with words that you could only fantasize about using, and wouldn’t dare utter, even though we live in the last country in the West where it’s legal to confront the Pharisees. Yet you cower before them, justifying their incineration of Lebanese babies, while you pay the jew to murder the babies you create with us. You bow before the Israeli flag, a foreign flag, while the young men of Hezbollah march on top of it. Don’t hide behind Christianity. It is not for wimps and cowards. Let us not forget the image of Christ turning over the tables of the money changers and whipping them out of the temple! That was manly.

So the next time you turn on the Zionist-controlled television news and see images of dead and wounded women and children in Lebanon, just remember: their men are fighting for them against a far superior military force (thanks to us). But they are not cowering in fear. And I wouldn’t be surprised if they were to steal victory after all of this is over (if it ever is). Because all they have to do is survive and they have won. The Israelis have to eliminate Hezbollah to win, and that is unlikely. You can’t beat a force that is fighting for their families and for their homeland – in their own homeland. The home team always has the advantage. Truly, a moral victory is already assured for Hezbollah. Regardless of the outcome, they win just for having withstood so much firepower, and still being able to launch their hapless little Katyusha rockets back over the fence. Yes, that is manly. Maybe you American Christian men could learn something from them about fighting for honor, family and homeland. Maybe you could try to emulate Hezbollah. They might teach you a lesson or two in manliness. And if you’re nice, they might even lend you some testosterone.
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby lateralus » Sun 30 Jul 2006, 00:43:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('foodnotlawns', '
')Has anyone here seen "Valley of the Wolves Irak" ? I think you can find it on Youtube.


The Daily Show: Valley of the Wolves Iraq
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby duke3522 » Sun 30 Jul 2006, 01:38:55

Thanks for the great post food. That article was just too funny. It always makes me laugh when I hear folk like that woman rant against the Jews. It’s like they don’t even know that their Christ was a Jew. And I bet Arab women are really proud of their men. Especially when their men are executing them because they tarnished their families honor by not fighting to the death when being raped.

I do like her article though, and it will be very useful to me. Next time I bring home several boxes of 12 gauge and a couple of bricks of 22LR, and my DW starts to complain about me spending to much on ammo, I will just show her this article letting her see the type of low lives we may have to protect ourselves from someday.
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby Ayame » Sun 30 Jul 2006, 02:40:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('duke3522', 'T')hanks for the great post food.


You mean great article of propoganda. It always amazes me the abilities of humans to put spin onto anything. But hey doesn't the theory go that we evolved to bullshit (machiavellian intelligence)
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby Miki » Sun 30 Jul 2006, 04:49:26

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') sense that they are a pawn. I fear that Lebanon and all her people are pawns. This upsets me because pawns are frequently sacrificed for no great gain.


I think we are *all* pawns of the emperialist whims of the US and Israel, and when I say *all*, I also include Americans, and even the 80% of Israelis that are supporting the current Israeli terrorist attacks in Lebanon.

This article explains it very well:

[web]http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14270.htm[/web]
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Re: Baghdad Situation Deteriorates

Unread postby Lighthouse » Sun 30 Jul 2006, 08:07:45

Miki, if the Arab world would not be so split and busy with all their little internal cock fights, if the Arab world would stood together so to speak, Israel would not even be a quiet nice little country on the Mediterranean Sea and even if she would be a country, she would not dare to bomb Lebanon.

But as the Arab nations more interested in their own little internal "who has the biggest dick" competitions, Lebanon (your country as far as I understand) is bombed back to the stone-age and everyone is watching and some are even enjoying the show ...
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