Hezbollah nourished by roots in Iran, Syria
Of course they are just like Israel is armed to the teeth with F-16's and other U.S. support. $2.5 billion in support this year - thats "OFFICIAL" support and that does not count many other means of support.
U.S. Assistance to Israel
On the other side of this particular coin the U.S. gave one of its most recent children of democracy, Lebanon 50$ million or so (cant find link!) in "Official" aid per year. Oh no!!! Kuwait is giving aid to a terrorist harboring nation as well!!!
Kuwait allocates 20 mln U.S. dollars in aid to Lebanon
I suppose we are free to bomb Kuwait now then. Its only 50 billion+/- barrels I mean wtf right? Can one bomb their own DADDY!! Who is your daddy?!!!!
Onto "who arms whom" shall we hmm yes. I stumbled upon this website: Fast facts on US arms sales
Does anyone remember Iran contra? Iran-Contra Affair "He also stated that the Vice President knew of the plan" yet was never brought to justice.....
Pardon me while I pick a tune...
"just a good ole boys"
"Never meanin no harm"
"beats all you ever saw"
"been in trouble with the law since the day they was born"
Pardon me further as I get away from the subject a bit....
Just incase some of you were not aware of the current agenda.
It can be found here: Project for the New American Century
and here: PNAC
1998 official PNAC members:
Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitage William J. Bennett
Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky
Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad
William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W. Rodman
Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber
Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey Robert B. Zoellick
1999 members:
Edwin J. Feulner, Jr. William Kristol
Elliott Abrams Richard V. Allen Richard L. Armitage William J. Bennett
John R. Bolton William F. Buckley, Jr. Midge Decter Robert Kagan
Jeane J. Kirkpatrick I. Lewis Libby Edwin Meese III Richard Perle
Norman Podhoretz William Schneider, Jr. Arthur Waldron Malcolm Wallop
James Webb Caspar Weinberger Paul Weyrich R. James Woolsey Paul Wolfowitz
The Heritage Foundation & The Project for the New American Century
Its not odd that I can start with Hezbollah and end up looking in the mirror at myself and my own country....is it?
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THE Hezbollah Thread (merged)
THE Hezbollah Thread (merged)
by NEOPO » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 20:06:57
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Re: Hezbollah Thread?
by rwwff » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 20:55:24
Whatever the conspiracy of the week, PNAC has proved to be quite successful at implementing their policy objectives.
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Re: Hezbollah Thread?
by NEOPO » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 21:27:46
Yes in much the same way that the Nazi's were very "successful" at killing the jews.
I am not surprised that PNAC was the only part you wished to chime in on.
After stealing one or maybe two elections and getting us involved in a resource war claiming WMD and all that I can see the appeal.
Now I await Specopout's exhaustive explanation of why AMERIKA has the right to sell billions of dollars in arms to developing nations.
Yeah this ought to be good....
I am not surprised that PNAC was the only part you wished to chime in on.
After stealing one or maybe two elections and getting us involved in a resource war claiming WMD and all that I can see the appeal.
Now I await Specopout's exhaustive explanation of why AMERIKA has the right to sell billions of dollars in arms to developing nations.
Yeah this ought to be good....
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Re: Hezbollah Thread?
by rwwff » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 21:50:55
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I') am not surprised that PNAC was the only part you wished to chime in on.
Well it was the only piece of info in there that was interesting. The rest was just a list of names of politicos; and a recitation of the known facts concerning where Israel and Hezbollah get their weaponry.
Not much there to disagree, comment, or otherwise elaborate on. I'm not sure why you seem so annoyed by the normal way developing countries choose to equip their militaries. We make some good stuff here, why shouldn't we sell or trade it? Should Venezuela invest untold billions just to make a dozen or two fighter jets that see irregular service? It'd be a waste.
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Re: Hezbollah Thread?
by Luckystars » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 23:19:14
THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE TERRORISTS!!!!
They boarded business ships (like illegal terrorists”) and broke open cargoes to dump tea into Boston’s harbor at the celebrated Boston Tea Party”.
The cry of the colonists was ”No Taxation Without Representation”!
The American Cowboy flirting with death. He’s the Stranger in America’s wild west movies. The guy who rides solo into town, and strides through the swinging saloon doors dressed in black. His veiled grin as menacing as the dark look in his eyes. Spurs jangling off the heels of his tough boots, doors closing gravely behind him.
The Dark Cowboy from the hidden Yankee psyche who wears six-guns on his hips and bullets in his belt. The bad guy with the loaded deck who’s come to deal. Impossible to bluff him. He knows every card we might hold. He’s our dark and shining Taboo, come to call us out. Mister showdown. Mister Death. Absolutely.
Here's to lookin at Ya kid![[smilie=5eek.gif]](https://udev.peakoil.com/forums/images/smilies/5eek.gif "5eek")
They boarded business ships (like illegal terrorists”) and broke open cargoes to dump tea into Boston’s harbor at the celebrated Boston Tea Party”.
The cry of the colonists was ”No Taxation Without Representation”!
The American Cowboy flirting with death. He’s the Stranger in America’s wild west movies. The guy who rides solo into town, and strides through the swinging saloon doors dressed in black. His veiled grin as menacing as the dark look in his eyes. Spurs jangling off the heels of his tough boots, doors closing gravely behind him.
The Dark Cowboy from the hidden Yankee psyche who wears six-guns on his hips and bullets in his belt. The bad guy with the loaded deck who’s come to deal. Impossible to bluff him. He knows every card we might hold. He’s our dark and shining Taboo, come to call us out. Mister showdown. Mister Death. Absolutely.
Here's to lookin at Ya kid
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Re: Hezbollah Thread?
by NEOPO » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 23:38:43
RWWFF quote "We make some good stuff here, why shouldn't we sell or trade it? Should Venezuela invest untold billions just to make a dozen or two fighter jets that see irregular service? It'd be a waste."
Is it possible to be "so right" yet "so wrong" at the same time?
Certainly not RWWFF - they will get them from Russia.
Official: Russia, Venezuela seal fighter jet deal
Guess they make some "good stuff" in Russia as well......
Is it possible to be "so right" yet "so wrong" at the same time?
Certainly not RWWFF - they will get them from Russia.
Official: Russia, Venezuela seal fighter jet deal
Guess they make some "good stuff" in Russia as well......
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Re: Hezbollah Thread?
by rwwff » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 23:44:27
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'R')WWFF quote "We make some good stuff here, why shouldn't we sell or trade it? Should Venezuela invest untold billions just to make a dozen or two fighter jets that see irregular service? It'd be a waste."
Is it possible to be "so right" yet "so wrong" at the same time?
Certainly not RWWFF - they will get them from Russia.
Official: Russia, Venezuela seal fighter jet deal
Guess they make some "good stuff" in Russia as well......
Is it possible to be "so right" yet "so wrong" at the same time?
Certainly not RWWFF - they will get them from Russia.
Official: Russia, Venezuela seal fighter jet deal
Guess they make some "good stuff" in Russia as well......
Yes they do. As does China, France, and England. Read my text carefully. There is no claim that Venezuela was currently purchasing new equipment from us; though they have purchased Aircraft made by us in the past. There's even been a bit of a squable over whether Venezuela would attempt to sell off the American made fighters to enemies and competitors of the US to give them working copies of the computer software.
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UN Speaker accuses Hezbollah of civilian casualties
by Specop_007 » Tue 25 Jul 2006, 13:03:20
Article
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')UN humanitarian chief accuses Hezbollah of ’cowardly blending’ among civilians
(AP)
25 July 2006
LARNACA, Cyprus - The UN humanitarian chief accused Hezbollah of “cowardly blending” among Lebanese civilians and causing the deaths of hundreds during two weeks of cross-border violence with Israel.
The militant group has built bunkers and tunnels near the Israeli border to shelter weapons and fighters, and its members easily blend in among civilians.
Jan Egeland spoke with reporters at the Larnaca airport in Cyprus late Monday after a visit to Lebanon on his mission to coordinate an international aid effort. On Sunday he had toured the rubble of Beirut’s southern suburbs, a once-teeming Shiite district where Hezbollah had its headquarters.
During that visit he condemned the killing and wounding of civilians by both sides, and called Israel’s offensive “disproportionate” and “a violation of international humanitarian law.”
On Monday he had strong words for Hezbollah, which crossed into Israel and captured two Israeli soldiers on July 12, triggering fierce fighting from both sides.
“Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women and children,” he said. “I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I don’t think anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead than armed men".
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')UN humanitarian chief accuses Hezbollah of ’cowardly blending’ among civilians
(AP)
25 July 2006
LARNACA, Cyprus - The UN humanitarian chief accused Hezbollah of “cowardly blending” among Lebanese civilians and causing the deaths of hundreds during two weeks of cross-border violence with Israel.
The militant group has built bunkers and tunnels near the Israeli border to shelter weapons and fighters, and its members easily blend in among civilians.
Jan Egeland spoke with reporters at the Larnaca airport in Cyprus late Monday after a visit to Lebanon on his mission to coordinate an international aid effort. On Sunday he had toured the rubble of Beirut’s southern suburbs, a once-teeming Shiite district where Hezbollah had its headquarters.
During that visit he condemned the killing and wounding of civilians by both sides, and called Israel’s offensive “disproportionate” and “a violation of international humanitarian law.”
On Monday he had strong words for Hezbollah, which crossed into Israel and captured two Israeli soldiers on July 12, triggering fierce fighting from both sides.
“Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women and children,” he said. “I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I don’t think anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead than armed men".
Paging Miki....Paging Miki....
Wonder why civilians get killed?
Your country seems to be filled with cowards.
Still want to blame Israel?
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Re: UN Speaker accuses Hezbollah of civilian casualties
by Miki » Tue 25 Jul 2006, 14:44:59
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Paging Miki....Paging Miki....
Wonder why civilians get killed?
Your country seems to be filled with cowards.
Still want to blame Israel?
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Paging Miki....Paging Miki....
Wonder why civilians get killed?
Your country seems to be filled with cowards.
Still want to blame Israel?
Better than your country which is filled with very brave people like you who fight wars from the confort of their couches and send bombs for their terrorist allies to bombard civilians in exchange of oil.
If Hisballah are among civilians because they are a political party in Lebanon and they have popular support, that does not give the Israeli terrorists green light to bombard indiscriminately every Shiah Muslim neighborhood in this country.
Not to mention that the Israeli have also bombarded Christian areas were anyone that knows Lebanon knows no Hisbalah warrior would be...They've bombarded "neutral" sructures as well, such as a milk company, satellite installations that served TV and mobile connections in Christian areas, ambulances transporting the injured, etc etc
Are you telling me that Hisbalah warriors have nothing to do except melt with civilians to escape? Who do you think is sending the rockets to Israel? Some robots? Do you really think any civilian would grab a hisbalah warrior and stick to him so as to save his/her own family from Israeli bombings? And how did the UN representative reach this conclusion? Does he have psychic powers? Did he proof what he said, or is it just his guess? Give me a break!
Funny you think they are cowards. These are the same people who have been confronting the Israelis for decades in spite of being much weaker than Israel in terms of their arsenal. People don't get more brave than that.
I don't agree with all the decisions Hisbalah has taken or with how they've used violence to achieve their aims, but one thing is for sure: they are by far much braver than you and the other people like you who like to play strategy games from the confort of their home, but would be pissing their pants if they were in Lebanon in danger of being violently murdered anytime.
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