[madmatt]

Thankyou Lighthouse.

I will take that as a “YES” then.

Now.

My Grandfather always used to say to me:

“Before you read another authors works, you should first find out as much as you can about the author, before you even turn to the first page!”

He would then go on to say:

“If he is from the private sector - has he got a family and a large mortgage? If he is from the world of academia - is he currently applying for a research grant? If he is from the governmental sector - is he looking for a greater piece of the tax-payer’s dollar for his own department?”

He would then say:

“Therefore, you must first find out the angle from which the author is coming from!”

“Only a fool would read another mans works without knowing the man first!”

And then:

“If you can determine the true ethical foundation of the author, then you can make an informed decision as to if you want to consume his literary offerings. If you decide that his prerogatives are questionable, then you may save yourself a lot of time reading and consuming material that should never, ever, pass your lips!!!”

A very smart man my Grandfather.

Now.

What I propose, is that I will go away now, and find out as much as I can about this “Matt Saviner” character and then I will come back and present this information to you all on a silver platter.

I am your humble servant after all.

It may take up to a week. So please be patient with me!!!

I know we all have other things to do!!!

If we decide that his “ethical foundation is questionable”, then we may decide to move on to another author so that we don’t begin our discussions off on the wrong footing!!!

And.

Hey guys.

Let me just say that my intentions are genuine!!!

I am not here to waste time, but to learn some solid, useful, ethically and morally founded information about the PO issue!!!

And in this capitalist, consumerist, money hungry world – this is proving to be no mean feat!!!

But I truly am trying.

We are all in this together!!!

And.

I have never said in any of my posts that I do not believe we are running out of petroleum.

As a matter of fact -

I have always maintained that “YES, WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF OIL! BUT DO WE REALLY KNOW ANYTHING BEYOND THAT!!!”

That is my assertion!!!

I hope you guys will band together with me, egos aside, this is all too serious for egos, so that we can maybe get together some hard, proven, tested, facts and figures - data, not opinion! - so that we can indeed proceed to “Plan for the future of Peak Oil”.

Your potential friend and ally,

madmatt

PS – I’ll see you within a week (or 2) with all that info about “Matt Saviner” so that we can decide if we want to read his stuff or piss him off quick-smart for someone else more credible.

See you soon.

[TheTurtle]

I moved this here, because it certainly doesn't belong in the Planning forum.

(And I'm not even sure if it belongs here. )

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('madmatt', ' ')If I can prove to you that you would have to be GOD to understand the implications of PO on our economy, then I believe we may be able to take the first step towards a little understanding.

[Lighthouse]

Madmatt, what exactly is it what you want to achieve?

Let's see if we can agree to the following:

PO is a fact. Oil is finite resource which will peak and eventually run out.

When did it or will it happen? What is or will be the impact on our society? And so on. My crystal ball is as good as yours. We are dealing with many complex chaotic systems which are interconnected.

So again, what is your outcome? A strategy for survival? A strategy for short term investments?

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '.')..Only you can convince you...

...Good night and good luck.

[mikeh433]

Just because I feel a little crabby about discomforts of preparations (and I'd like to see an apartment/city dweller topic), this here little invention enabled the large population increase alone, or so Buckminster Fuller said.

http://inventors.about.com/library/inve ... erator.htm

Speaking of this, I'd like to know if anyone knows of some little refrigeration device that could keep a closet like a root celler temperature of say 55 degrees constantly?

As long as refrigerators/freezers are around and have electricity to function, that will help alot.

Of course if I was in a different mood, I might argue oil stubbornly high prices, blackouts occurring now, precious metals in bull market, etc., but I'm not in that mood.

[Etalon]

Im of the view that PO is a fact, and we dont really know whats going to happen aftarwards. So, you plan for the worst case (everything just stops) and go from there...

Im not quite sure what madmat is trying to prove.. maybe ive had a little too much of the vino, but I do agree that the person who claims to be able to predict the precise effects of PO probably knows less than the person who accepts his (or hers) limitations and admits to not knowing.

[Revi]

We may not know exactly what will happen, but we have a bit of a glimpse of who will win the trifecta. Bet on the four horsemen. But even so, there is value in knowing what will happen, even if the future is bleak.

[128shot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('madmatt', ' ')If I can prove to you that you would have to be GOD to understand the implications of PO on our economy, then I believe we may be able to take the first step towards a little understanding.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', 'M')onte, I tend to look at it like this.

Look at the bronze age, everyone was using bronze, then we had a short supply of bronze, then we discovered iron.

So whats over the hump isn't totally predictable.

[Chaparral]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('madmatt', ' ')fcukin blah blah blah......................what i really wanna do is reinvent the wheel that already exists and is known as peakoil.com and get the credit for it
??

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', '
')Look at the bronze age, everyone was using bronze, then we had a short supply of bronze, then we discovered iron.

So whats over the hump isn't totally predictable.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', 'I') moved this here, because it certainly doesn't belong in the Planning forum.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', ' ')Monte, I tend to look at it like this.

Look at the bronze age, everyone was using bronze, then we had a short supply of bronze, then we discovered iron.

So whats over the hump isn't totally predictable.

[128shot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', ' ')Monte, I tend to look at it like this.

Look at the bronze age, everyone was using bronze, then we had a short supply of bronze, then we discovered iron.

So whats over the hump isn't totally predictable.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', 'I') general impression I get from you though, is you just hate people, and you don't care what does what, you would rather see the catasrophe than the continuation of the norm

[128shot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', 'I') general impression I get from you though, is you just hate people, and you don't care what does what, you would rather see the catasrophe than the continuation of the norm

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', 'T')he consensus seems to be society has to be grinded to a hault either because you dislike humans, dislike society, or something else you can pull out of the bag.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '
')The theory goes that if there is a crash coming then the sooner it happens the less misery there will be as there will be less people to experience it.

[128shot]

I'm open to most modest and realistic modes of preparing the soft landing and public awareness.


global powerdown and dieing off wasn't exactly on that list...