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Doomers should be Jehovah's witnesses

Unread postby Bas » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 16:08:26

seriously, you'd make good ones!

I'm a peakoilbeliever, know my economics and politics and see PO as an opportunity. An opportunity to make this a cleaner world, more honest world, a more equal world, a more peaceful world.

Sure it will be a long road, rocky at times. But I know biofuels are already economically viable and they will become only more so. And as India and China develop while the prices of oil are skyhigh, I know the rest of the world can and will follow behind closely (just look at what china is investing in Africa these days!) No more dirty oilwars, no more American worlddomination and when we go into outter space.....
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Re: Doomers should be Jehovah's witnesses

Unread postby SoothSayer » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 16:29:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')hen we go into outter space.....

Spaceships built from recycled Coke cans and fueled by rotting cow dung ... simply wonderful!

Spaceship from 2100 with robot crew
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Re: Doomers should be Jehovah's witnesses

Unread postby Fergus » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 16:54:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 's')eriously, you'd make good ones!

I'm a peakoilbeliever, know my economics and politics and see PO as an opportunity. An opportunity to make this a cleaner world, more honest world, a more equal world, a more peaceful world.

Sure it will be a long road, rocky at times. But I know biofuels are already economically viable and they will become only more so. And as India and China develop while the prices of oil are skyhigh, I know the rest of the world can and will follow behind closely (just look at what china is investing in Africa these days!) No more dirty oilwars, no more American worlddomination and when we go into outter space.....


To do what? Plunder and pillage other worlds and maybe even make the indigenous races there exstinct aswell.

Unless we learn to control our vorascious appeitite for control,
power and resources, we dont belong on any other worlds. If we cant take care of this one, why would other races want us there? Would you let person that destroyed his house through folly take up residence in your house? Leave him alone there as you go to work and take your wife out to eat etc...If you wont, why should the other worlds be put out cause Humans want something they had and destroyed.

Would be nice to wake up and find it all a dream or someone somehow come up with an alternative to oil. But watch what we do with that? Wanna bet more of the same. We need to wake up and grow up and learn respect for the world we live in. We have none to date.

If there is a God, hes gotta be disappointed in how we turned out.

We value money over everything. Including the actual world we live on. If you can make a buck today but lose the world next week, I would wager out of the 4.5 billion pple alive today, more then 4 billion would make that buck and screw the consequences.

We are a violent race bent on conquest and control. Inconsiderate, rude, obnoxious and petty. Dont forget greedy too. If I were a higher intelligent life form, I would wonder if this little blue planet needs eradicating. Certainly we are not ready for contact and an information boost. We would take the knowledge and sell it to the highest bidder and then squeeze every last penny out of it. We would not use it for the common good. So why waste time with the little blue planet that only wants to kill and destroy.
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Re: Doomers should be Jehovah's witnesses

Unread postby mekrob » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 16:58:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')I would wager out of the 4.5 billion pple alive today


So the Chinese and Indians aren't people to you?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f I were a higher intelligent life form


That got me thinking. Are we really a more intelligent life form, or simply a more able life form?
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Re: Doomers should be Jehovah's witnesses

Unread postby Don35 » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 18:41:16

I wonder if the only way man can gain wisdom is through crisis? I know eastern philosophy teaches that we as individuals can gain understanding, and wisdom through the difficult times in our lives. Does mankind NEED difficulty to force us to learn? We don’t seem to be able to learn any other way. Lots of knowledge here in the 21st century but very little wisdom.
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Re: Doomers should be Jehovah's witnesses

Unread postby Pops » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 19:04:01

Whew! Psychology is the right forum for this thread.



On second thought, is it not ironic that 50 years ago the world saw the people of the US as the ultimate optimists.

Maybe they saw us that way 5 years ago too…



Ah well, it was a good run while it lasted.

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Re: Doomers should be Jehovah's witnesses

Unread postby rwwff » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 19:15:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'T')hat got me thinking. Are we really a more intelligent life form, or simply a more able life form?


Nahh, we're just more lethal. The fact that we dressed up in silk and reclined at leisure while finding out exactly how many of us we could make before starving to death doesn't really change things.
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Re: Doomers should be Jehovah's witnesses

Unread postby quizz » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 22:14:32

Well Peak Oil does become a factor in that our preaching will be done to God's satisfaction (the official line) and then .... well that's all folks. I was telling a fellow Witness that peak oil (reducing mankind to fighting over resources), global warming (perhaps a real question of life supporting ability of the planet), and a major die-off makes preaching a moot point - so it might end now. So there is quite a convergence of trends in the time we are living.
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Re: Doomers should be Jehovah's witnesses

Unread postby ONeil » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 23:19:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 's')eriously, you'd make good ones!

I'm a peakoilbeliever, know my economics and politics and see PO as an opportunity. An opportunity to make this a cleaner world, more honest world, a more equal world, a more peaceful world.

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when we go into outter space.....


The first religion that accepts the reality of peak oil and then develops a dogma for adapting and perhaps continuing the expansion (or at least the hope of eventual re-expansion) is going to do very well in the next hundred years.

If there are any want to be messiah's out there; you should brush up on your psycho history [ http://www.google.com/search?q=psychohistory ].
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Re: Doomers should be Jehovah's witnesses

Unread postby Fergus » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 00:06:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ONeil', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 's')eriously, you'd make good ones!

I'm a peakoilbeliever, know my economics and politics and see PO as an opportunity. An opportunity to make this a cleaner world, more honest world, a more equal world, a more peaceful world.

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when we go into outter space.....


The first religion that accepts the reality of peak oil and then develops a dogma for adapting and perhaps continuing the expansion (or at least the hope of eventual re-expansion) is going to do very well in the next hundred years.

If there are any want to be messiah's out there; you should brush up on your psycho history [ http://www.google.com/search?q=psychohistory ].


I say lets bring back Druidism. Thats a nice healthy, in tune with nature religion. Besides we can dance in the moonlight. Thats if we dont destroy the moon first.
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Re: Doomers should be Jehovah's witnesses

Unread postby Bas » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 06:08:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('quizz', 'W')ell Peak Oil does become a factor in that our preaching will be done to God's satisfaction (the official line) and then .... well that's all folks. I was telling a fellow Witness that peak oil (reducing mankind to fighting over resources), global warming (perhaps a real question of life supporting ability of the planet), and a major die-off makes preaching a moot point - so it might end now. So there is quite a convergence of trends in the time we are living.


I'm sorry to say but your organisation and what it preaches (the death of 6 billion people is wonderful news!) makes me utterly sick. It's a losers attitude.
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Re: Doomers should be Jehovah's witnesses

Unread postby quizz » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 08:42:45

You wrote earlier: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')n opportunity to make this a cleaner world, more honest world, a more equal world, a more peaceful world.


As regards Witnesses you would find out that Witnesses adhere to a real standard of honesty which is a requirement. Also we practice neutrality toward all world conflicts (look up the history of Witnesses in Nazi Germany for example). I would simply urge you to find out more for yourself just like you did for PO. We aren't losers - we've got low divorce rates, strong families, good community support. Maybe our preaching is annoying on Saturday mornings - just humor us, tell us no thanks, and send us along. :)

As for the 6 billion - you might say we're working hard to bring that number down. You can't criticize us for that. Like in Ezekiel 33 it says if a watchman saw trouble and did not announce it, he would be guilty. So if you have a criticism, it would be with the God of the Bible. I suppose the analogy is Noah's day in Luke 17:23 that the 'flood swept them all away, so it will be in that day'. And as to when, it would be during a turbulent time in human history as Luke 21 states wars, pestilence, famine, earthquakes growing in intensity like 'the pangs of birth on a woman'. Have we always had these? Yes. But today, like I said, there is a convergence of threats, especially the destruction of the life carrying capacity of the planet, which is interesting since Revelation 11:18 says God would 'bring to ruin those ruining the earth'.
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Re: Doomers should be Jehovah's witnesses

Unread postby green_achers » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 08:53:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut I know biofuels are already economically viable and they will become only more so.


And under no circumstance will they prevent one drop of oil or grain of coal from being burned.
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Re: Doomers should be Jehovah's witnesses

Unread postby Bas » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 08:54:38

I actually do know some stuff about the organisation, the blood issue, the failed prophesies, the shunning of family members etc.
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Unread postby Bas » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 08:58:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('green_achers', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut I know biofuels are already economically viable and they will become only more so.


And under no circumstance will they prevent one drop of oil or grain of coal from being burned.


they already do...there are plenty of biomass powerstations. Oil will not need to go much higher before biofuels will take off bigtime.
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Re: Doomers should be Jehovah's witnesses

Unread postby Bas » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 09:04:25

for quizz:

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Re: Doomers should be Jehovah's witnesses

Unread postby Heineken » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 09:06:18

Bas, what are you smoking there in the Netherlands?

Things probably look promising in the Netherlands, at the moment, but that's only because your country, like ours, has been a prime planet raper.
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Re: Doomers should be Jehovah's witnesses

Unread postby Bas » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 09:11:32

I am for real, alot of people here have an attitude problem.
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Unread postby antspice » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 17:09:47

From my point of view it seems Jehovahs witnesses dont tell you all the things that might not have went alright, e-watchman is a site run by ex-JW's and JW's and you might learn some things about JW's there. I currently associate with JW's

www.e-watchman.com
www.e-watchman.com/watchman-essays-collection.html
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Re: Doomers should be Jehovah's witnesses

Unread postby Lighthouse » Sat 22 Jul 2006, 20:32:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'I') actually do know some stuff about the organisation, the blood issue, the failed prophesies, the shunning of family members etc.


Tell me about it :cry: My wife grew up as Jehovas Witness. At some stage she decided that religion is not for her at all. She is a honest, loving, caring person, volunteers for charities etc. But none of her family, father, mother, her sisters, uncles, cousins or her old friends which she grew up with is allowed to talk to her anymore because she left the "Organisation"

So much to the high standards of this religion ...
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