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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby JoeCoal » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 00:05:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FairMaiden', 'T')he only reason women have more clothes and more shoes - is because it is expected of her. In order to keep our men "interested" and not be blamed for their straying - we have to surgically implant parts to our body, bleach, pinch, pull, laser ourselves to be considered "attractive" to men.


The "men" attracted to what you describe are mindless plastic Ken Dolls who are not worth your time. Only mindless plastic Barbie Dolls torture themselves like this to attract them.
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby rwwff » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 00:07:24

I've been informed by a reliable source.

Women dress for the approval and comments of other women.
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby JoeCoal » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 00:15:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'G')o for comfortable shoes / boots (whatever). The good guys (who are the ones you gals want to notice you, right?) will note how PRACTICAL you are - and you'll get high marks in their book for that.


The sexiest woman I ever saw was wearing Soviet Era East German riding boots... And riding a white Arabian...

I ended up marrying her. Go figure...

She STILL has too many shoes...
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby Loki » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 01:01:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')It's too bad some women feel they have to lift, tuck, bleach, pinch, etc... to meet some standard of sexiness. Frankly, I have never met a man who was remotely attracted to this kind of woman.


I certainly am not. The more they do this, the less attractive I find them. Barbies wobbling down the street are just plain ridiculous. But I like the natural look. There are some guys who like this crap, but they're in the minority. Just show up looking halfway decent and most of us will be thrilled.

I think women's choice of clothing, make up, etc. is primarily aimed at impressing other women, just as men trying to get "buff" is primarily motivated by impressing/intimidating other men. It's all about oneupmanship.

But I guess it's easier to blame men for everything. Threadbear, you are truly a breath of fresh air in this regard.
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby Ayame » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 07:06:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '
')But I guess it's easier to blame men for everything. Threadbear, you are truly a breath of fresh air in this regard.


really? most of the threads that keep popping up appear to blame women for everything from peak oil to cruelty and capitalism and contain very derogatory language and comments. I must have missed the 'men are the cause of peak oil' thread.
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby Ayame » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 07:09:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', ' ')They look - and WANT to look - like mannekins, store window dummies.

You'd have to BE a dummy to want to look like that.



It's sad really. The majority of young girls nowadays hate their bodies. Self-harm is rampant. I feel so sorry for the children. Mostly it's the capitalists trying to sell their wares trying to make everyone feel insecure and it's hurting the young. I don't think they are dummies - who can ignore peer pressure? people say they can but in reality we are all worried about what other people think of us, it's hardwired and the money grubbing capitalist with the media take advantage of it. They deserve to live in a better society.
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby JustinFrankl » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 09:38:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'W')omen are no longer expected to take a man's name when married, and many don't. If you are being paid less than a man for the same job and same job description, God help your employer.

Many don't take a man's name, but most do.

I wonder if anyone has done a study on divorce rates comparing those couples where the woman took the man's name vs. where she hyphenated it vs keeping her maiden name.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's too bad some women feel they have to lift, tuck, bleach, pinch, etc... to meet some standard of sexiness. Frankly, I have never met a man who was remotely attracted to this kind of woman.

The men you have met were likely trying to impress you by agreeing with your sentiments about the wastefulness and absurdity of modern beauty. The fact of the matter is that if the alteration (surgery, bleaching, tucking, what-have-you) isn't obvious most men will prefer it. Larger breasts, whiter teeth, silkier hair, absence of body hair, shapelier figure, most men prefer them.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')estern nations are seriously warped when it comes to sexual politics and what's actually fair, and the she-mountains from South of the border lead the way.

Industry led the way via the media. Cosmo, Mirabella, Marie Claire, and a dozen other magazines that carry more advertising than content, advertising that's designed to make women feel ugly and need to improve. And not just ads in women's magazines, advertising everywhere has disproportionally represented the beautiful people, and they become an impossible standard. This ad bombardment, for whatever reason, polarizes a large portion of the Western female population. One segment tries to attain the impossible standard, while the she-mountains recognize the standard as being impossible and have given up completely.
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby threadbear » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 10:48:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', ' ')They look - and WANT to look - like mannekins, store window dummies.

You'd have to BE a dummy to want to look like that.



It's sad really. The majority of young girls nowadays hate their bodies. Self-harm is rampant. I feel so sorry for the children. Mostly it's the capitalists trying to sell their wares trying to make everyone feel insecure and it's hurting the young. I don't think they are dummies - who can ignore peer pressure? people say they can but in reality we are all worried about what other people think of us, it's hardwired and the money grubbing capitalist with the media take advantage of it. They deserve to live in a better society.


Madison avenue is the major culprit, as far as women's body image goes, but women are complicit in their own undoing. Those little girls who hate their bodies so much are likely conditioned by their mothers, more than anyone else, including their peers. Do you think their father's obsess about losing weight and spend much of their time shopping for clothes?

If mothers want their daughters to love their bodies, they have to set a good solid example.

Woman as victim, though true in the past, is past it's best before date, as a general social theme. It's now being used as a club to keep everyone in line--and on the same page.
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby threadbear » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 11:02:20

The men you have met were likely trying to impress you by agreeing with your sentiments about the wastefulness and absurdity of modern beauty. The fact of the matter is that if the alteration (surgery, bleaching, tucking, what-have-you) isn't obvious most men will prefer it. Larger breasts, whiter teeth, silkier hair, absence of body hair, shapelier figure, most men prefer them.
--Justin Frankyl


The key here is the phrase "if it isn't obvious". Larger breasts, whiter teeth, silkier hair, absence of body hair, shapelier figure describe many women under 40. Men definitely prefer women under 40 as sexual partners. And women prefer men under 40. They don't have those splindly little arms and pot bellies and bald heads.

Can we just agree that people are a little more repulsive as they age? Women who try to change that are missing out on one of the great opportunities of their lives--a sex free existence.

Again, it's boo-friggin-hoo for women. I don't get it. Do women think most men are hotly pursued by the opposite sex? Hardly-- most of them lead lives of quiet desperation, where they are rarely approached, or even smiled at, and they have a whole lifetime of it. Women get nailed with the same at menopause---and boo hoo hoo. It huuuuuurrrrrrrttttts. :lol:
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby Ayame » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 11:20:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')Madison avenue is the major culprit, as far as women's body image goes, but women are complicit in their own undoing. Those little girls who hate their bodies so much are likely conditioned by their mothers, more than anyone else, including their peers. Do you think their father's obsess about losing weight and spend much of their time shopping for clothes? . If mothers want their daughters to love their bodies, they have to set a good solid example.


Actually threadbear it has been shown that the major culprits are magazines. Bulimia and anorexia nervosa are considered diseases of the western world and there are many sites dedicated to worshipping magazine pictures of waif-like models. It's not because the women in developing worlds are better at conditioning their daughters, it's because their daughters aren't exposed to the views and pressures of western civilisation. There are also tons of very concerned mothers who are powerless in the face of overwhelming advertising to help their daughters gain a more balanced perception of their bodies. The main indication that it's media influenced more than anything else is that the numbers of eating disorder cases are increasing vastly each year. I agree that if a mother has an eating disorder, her daughter probably will but the insecurity had to start at some point in some generation. I don't see why you seem obsessed with breaking problems down into the fault of either men or women. It's societies fault in the end, both men and women are allowing this to happen.
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby holmes » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 12:03:06

It boils down to WEAK WEAK PEOPLE. Fk em. let em die. I like women that want to attract good men. The rest can rot for all I care. Buety in its natural form is what we want. not your competative slut look.
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby Ayame » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 13:21:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'I')t boils down to WEAK WEAK PEOPLE. Fk em. let em die.


That's a nice attitude.
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby holmes » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 13:36:20

Oh god we gots another one, cynic, PMS and threadbare. The controlling gestapo in da house! ITS A PERFECT ATTITUDE. are u going to scold me like a bad little boy now?
Weakness is prevalent.
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby Ayame » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 13:51:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'O')h god we gots another one, cynic, PMS and threadbare. The controlling gestapo in da house! ITS A PERFECT ATTITUDE. are u going to scold me like a bad little boy now?
Weakness is prevalent.


I'll tell you what is weakness, a person who acts like a little boy and seems to need to call his posse to come to his aid and rough me over just because I have an opinion. it seems that your attitude is ok but mine is not acceptable, why is this?
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby holmes » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 14:20:24

CONTROL. I do not want to control. I want freedom. Free thoughts. Based on the natural laws of this planet. I do not want to blame. I want to recognize limits. Women have limits. men have limits. There are limits on this planet. I as a man have never said your opinions are wrong. I have given massive space for these misguided notions. Yes the shitstem brainwashes. But the ones brainswashed are WEAK. Weak. Strength is when one is swarmed with the machines images and Borg and comes out unscathed and stronger. Aware. The blame and victim thing is part and parcel to the borg. It is a huge part of the consumption urges. and I am thankful I still have the little boy in me. I havent been sodomized and cleansed by the machine and its Borg. Thank u for seeing the little boy in me. I refuse to die. Ill live young and free. Running hills and mts. fresh until the body gives out. the mind will always stay young and charming.

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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby TWilliam » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 02:14:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'T')he truth comes out eventually: it's other women they are "competing" with in terms of making themselves uncomfortable. Men never notice such things as "new handbags, new hairdoes, new shoes" . That's right we don't. How often has such been complained about by women???? Are all these complaints incorrect? No, they are right, I can assure you: I'm male and *I* don't "notice" such things.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e men do not even notice such things as "a new pair of shoes" or "that nice top" or "the new hair style". C'mon how often to women bemoan such lack of interest by men in such topics? So - if men don't notice - and women confirm this by saying constantly that men do not notice - then...it's ain't the MEN who are noticing, then, is it?

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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby Loki » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 02:37:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '
')But I guess it's easier to blame men for everything. Threadbear, you are truly a breath of fresh air in this regard.


really? most of the threads that keep popping up appear to blame women for everything from peak oil to cruelty and capitalism and contain very derogatory language and comments. I must have missed the 'men are the cause of peak oil' thread.


Um, did you even read the post that started this thread? Peak oil = end of patriarchy, i.e., we evil men are to blame for all the evils in the world, even women buying loads of crap they don't need. But no worries, we'll get our comeuppance. The matriarchy will put us back in our place. :roll:
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby Ayame » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 03:55:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '
')Um, did you even read the post that started this thread? Peak oil = end of patriarchy, i.e., we evil men are to blame for all the evils in the world, even women buying loads of crap they don't need. But no worries, we'll get our comeuppance. The matriarchy will put us back in our place. :roll:


For every thread vilifying men, there are three posted vilifying women, in fact this is the only one I know of started as an outright thread comdemning men. I find it amusing on these forums that if someone makes out men as evil, they are immediately lamblasted and told to 'stop blaming men' whereas in the threads where women are blamed for various things if someone makes a fuss and says to 'stop blaming women' they are the ones that are lamblasted, called immature man-haters, told to get over themselves and stop acting the victim. It appears that there are incredible double standards operating across the board.
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby Loki » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 04:31:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', '
')For every thread vilifying men, there are three posted vilifying women, in fact this is the only one I know of started as an outright thread comdemning men. I find it amusing on these forums that if someone makes out men as evil, they are immediately lamblasted and told to 'stop blaming men' whereas in the threads where women are blamed for various things if someone makes a fuss and says to 'stop blaming women' they are the ones that are lamblasted, called immature man-haters, told to get over themselves and stop acting the victim. It appears that there are incredible double standards operating across the board.


You sound like an immature man-hater. You need to get over yourself and stop acting the victim.

Double standards are the sine qua non of feminism.
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Re: The end of the Patriarchy

Unread postby Ayame » Fri 21 Jul 2006, 04:57:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '
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You sound like an immature man-hater. You need to get over yourself and stop acting the victim.

Double standards are the sine qua non of feminism.


Unbelievable. You can't take it so you take to insults instead.
I think it is rather you who are immature. I make a rational observation and all of a sudden I'm labelled a man-hating feminist. Unbelievable, but maybe by looking at the history of this board it's to be expected. Double standards are the sine qua non of everything human from monarchies to corporations, in fact wherever power accumulates btw.
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