[Atlantean_Relic]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '
')Translation? You can't judge a person's level of awareness by their words or actions (popular mythology regarding the issue notwithstanding). Ego sees only itself when looking upon the world yet calls it another.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Atlantean_Relic', 'I')f I'm not mistaken using popular mythology would have every crazy forest hermit as enlightened. Sometimes crazy is just crazy.

[robski]

eep

[robski]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', 'T')ranslation? You can't judge a person's level of awareness by their words or actions (popular mythology regarding the issue notwithstanding). Ego sees only itself when looking upon the world yet calls it another.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('robski', 'W')hat do you know of spirituality?

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wednesday', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', 'I')n fact I'm out of here.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')What a bunch of strident intellectually insecure, emotionally immature babies.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')What a bunch of strident intellectually insecure, emotionally immature babies.

[holmes]

Threadbare thank u for the wisdom u exude. I appreciate. All MEN appreciate it. I understand the mindset of victimization. its not what i see as a quality factor. As a man who loves the arts and nature and rugged living and WOMEN I repsect u. I think in the beginning we were at odds but I am proving to be more than most thought I was.
These so called "women" are really wanna be men. The part is they can never be becuase they get help. Real men never get help. we are the help. To say the men that are in charge today are representing all men is ludicrous. If i was in charge there would not be nearly as many problems and complaining and whining would be reduced to a whisper. Utilitarian.

[threadbear]

Holmes, In a way, men just "don't get it". My husband doesn't get it, my father didn't get it, most men I know, don't get it--but they are trying, by and large. You can't deeply understand women without daily hormone treatment, I figure.

Equally, women don't 'get' men, but that's socially acceptable, so they don't try. They are perfectly happy describing all men as morally inferior beings. This is the new status quo.

These women wouldn't have marched with the suffragettes, decades ago--- that would have been too far out of the mainstream. They would have been the hysterical weak sisters, strident in their criticism of women agitating for basic human rights.

They are truly a nauseating bunch, coddled by mass misperception, stroked by the thereapeutic community, protected from the revelation of their own hypocrisy by the smoke screen of consensus reality.

[Odin]

Call me a cynical pessimist but I consider the end of patriarchy a pipe dream. All human societies are patriarchal to some degree, and seems like us men who find mysigonistic behavior disgusting are, and will always be, a minority.

Our Australopithicine ancestors had a HUGE amount of sexual dimorphism, indicate a very male-dominated social heirarchy. Even when the evolution of pair-bonding occured in early Homo, causing a reduction in sexual dimorphism, the patriarchal social system just became modified. Homo infants are more helpless then Chimp infants are or Australopithicus infants were because our development is slowed to allow the brain to keep growing in a fetal growth mode for a year after birth, this could not have evolved without monogamous pair-bonding between males and females to give the male a stake in caring for his offspring, the side effect was that the female had to act subservient to the male to make sure the male didn't question that the kids were his. So basically, patriarchy is ultimate result of men fearing that they weren't the fathers of the kids they were rasising, and 2 million years of this ingrained this in our genes.

The idea of some matriarchal past is the creation of Lithuanian archeologist Marjia Gimbutas, who popularized the pre-Indo-European peoples of Neolithic Europe as being peaceful and matriarchal, this is probably far from the truth and is probably the result of the political atmosphere of the time.

[Atlantean_Relic]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')Equally, women don't 'get' men, but that's socially acceptable, so they don't try. They are perfectly happy describing all men as morally inferior beings. This is the new status quo.

[holmes]

I must agree with much of what is said above.
I have some women friends that were doing the on line dating thing. They said that there were hardly any interesting men. Most were all status quo. The Borg. sterile. The men they said have hard time filling out the personality profiles. They have a hard time fessing up and being honest with their emotions. The ones that do are mostly twerps. the others cretins. This is a general statement.
Lets just say my friends LOVE me! hehe. I am all out honesty. As the women reach their late 20's 30's I am finding a renewal of my popularity. I am thankful for myself staying the coarse and staying a strong MAN. No women/man hating thug will ever weaken my resolve.
Cheap energy has made mankind DULL.

[FairMaiden]

We definitely live a patriachal society. Women are still expected to take a man's name at marriage - a practise that become common when we were considered common property to be transferred in ownership from father to husband. We still get paid less for the same work. We pay more for everything - to dryclean a shirt costs double a man's shirt merely because the buttons are on an opposite side (why even differentitate otherwise?). Women have gained the right to work - but they did not gain the right to expect more help - now we have to raise the children, clean the home AND work fulltime. (wow, isn't that so progressive!?!)

The only reason women have more clothes and more shoes - is because it is expected of her. In order to keep our men "interested" and not be blamed for their straying - we have to surgically implant parts to our body, bleach, pinch, pull, laser ourselves to be considered "attractive" to men. We have to squeeze ourselves into strapless shoes that cause pain and discomfort to remain "sexy". We starve ourselves to make sure that we are desirable. What do men do? Not much. They dont' need clothes bc they don't HAVE to wear anything particular to be sexy. Yes, they must have money and prestige (in order to provide the woman security bc she can't seem to get it on her own - in most cases, that IS changing).

The reality is - that you don't find stereotypes on that sort on a website like this. If we were looking for and part of the societal norm, I doubt we would be educating ourselves like this.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FairMaiden', 'W')e definitely live a patriachal society. Women are still expected to take a man's name at marriage - a practise that become common when we were considered common property to be transferred in ownership from father to husband. We still get paid less for the same work. We pay more for everything - to dryclean a shirt costs double a man's shirt merely because the buttons are on an opposite side (why even differentitate otherwise?). Women have gained the right to work - but they did not gain the right to expect more help - now we have to raise the children, clean the home AND work fulltime. (wow, isn't that so progressive!?!)

The only reason women have more clothes and more shoes - is because it is expected of her. In order to keep our men "interested" and not be blamed for their straying - we have to surgically implant parts to our body, bleach, pinch, pull, laser ourselves to be considered "attractive" to men. We have to squeeze ourselves into strapless shoes that cause pain and discomfort to remain "sexy". We starve ourselves to make sure that we are desirable. What do men do? Not much. They dont' need clothes bc they don't HAVE to wear anything particular to be sexy. Yes, they must have money and prestige (in order to provide the woman security bc she can't seem to get it on her own - in most cases, that IS changing).

The reality is - that you don't find stereotypes on that sort on a website like this. If we were looking for and part of the societal norm, I doubt we would be educating ourselves like this.

[ubercynicmeister]

GRRR...SPELLING...EDITIED FOR vb TAGS, TOO

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'Y')ou know, you chicks love to natter away about the female experience and what it's like to be a woman in a man's world, ad nauseum, begging men to put themselves in YOUR shoes. Why don't you try putting yourself in THEIR shoes--speaking of shoes.

Do you think, we as women have the exclusive contract with victimization. Get a f'g grip.

What a bunch of strident intellectually insecure, emotionally immature babies.

[ubercynicmeister]

Once again, Threadbear, I applaud you for your opinions.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'W')omen are no longer expected to take a man's name when married, and many don't. If you are being paid less than a man for the same job and same job description, God help your employer.

It's too bad some women feel they have to lift, tuck, bleach, pinch, etc... to meet some standard of sexiness. Frankly, I have never met a man who was remotely attracted to this kind of woman.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'A')nd speaking of shoes...what DOPE thinks that women look good in high heels? No man I've ever met thinks that.

[ubercynicmeister]

Hi roger...how's the weather in NZ? It's FREEZING here in Australia. (global warming?..send some of it my way, please!)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '
')
On my walk to work I often see women crippling themselves in high heels that have worn down too much. To much sense of image to not wear the things, and eveidently not enough money to buy replacements, so they suffer.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'H')i roger...how's the weather in NZ? It's FREEZING here in Australia. (global warming?..send some of it my way, please!)