[Declan]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... re+Project


Watch it! It's worth your time.

[bobaloo]

It actually should be an interesting thing to Peak Oilers.

Dr. Greer got 100 tremendous witnesses, unimpeachable folks from the military, intelligence agencies, pilots, etc., who testifieda as to dates, times and places. The response, zip, zero, nada, it just disappeared down the black hole.

He uncovered government coverups, got the evidence, laid it out, and everyone went on with their business. Welcome to the modern world.

[Kylon]

The fact that no one cares is scarier than what he's actually revealing.

It kinda means the sheeple are ready for/suconciously want a dictator.


Beware of the sheeple Stampeed!

[MacG]

Watched 7 minutes. *Yawn*. If there are organisms out there that ar so smart and powered that they can move between solar systems, they would outwit us in a millisecond. No need to even think about it. Such an organism would not even notice the US military. "But we got nukes!" Bah! Someone who can travel faster than light would perceive nukes like tiny, tiny bread crumbles left by the kids on the floor. While wearing heavy boots...

I do not belive in UFO's
I did not belive in Y2K disasters (Kunstler did)
I smell a big rat about 9/11 (no claims, just puzzled questions)
I smell a small rat about 7/7 (specially the four failed attempts a week later)

BUT: PeakOil is a pure geological and physical reality!

[Free]

Oh come on, pleeeaaase... UFOs???

I mean I will give it a shot and watch the video, but come on...

It is well established that at least in the beginning the whole Roswell UFO hysteria was a classical cold war psyop to cover up experimental testflights in the Nevada desert.

So I would especially take the statements of members of the US military with a huge grain of salt.

Apart from that the cold war theory makes much more sense, applying Ockhams razor.

[Zardoz]

Interstellar travel is impossible. Einstein was correct. The speed of light can't even be approached, much less exceeded.

We'll never get to another solar system, and nobody will get to ours.

[Specop_007]

Whats the video about? I dont want to waste my time watching more tinfoil hat bullshit about how Bush is a lizard from another planet or remote controlled airplanes crashed into the Towers.
I've had my fill of dumbasses and retardedness today, so someone give me a bit of info on what this is about.

[rsch20]

Spec: it's basically just a lecture with 'proof' of UFO's, and claims that the government is hiding UFO technology like anti-gravity drives etc, said proof being from what I saw nothing but claims and witnesses, some of the witnesses do have interesting credentials but it's still boring as hell, illogical on the face of it, with no real proof that I saw, (i didn't watch the whole thing, watched about 20 mins of it then skipped ahead through a few of the speakers).

on the topic itself, my personal view is that life on other planets is highly likely, intelligence on other planets is possible, but that interstellar civilizations either don't exist or are irrelevant to our situation.

any species capable of interstellar travel would have to have gone through omega point, (intelligence explosion) which would put them an order of magnitude ahead of us. If 'they' were here, and wanted us to know, then we would know... since we don't know (not only is there no 'real' proof of 'visitors', but SETI is also still coming up dry which means we haven't even found any other civilizations broadcasting yet, let alone having little green men floating around in our stratosphere).

that means that either

a: they aren't there
b: they don't want us to know they are there.

either way, for all practical purposes, they are not there. no-one is bailing us out or it would have happened already (99.9%, anything is possible I guess, but this eventuality is pretty low on my list of possible futures and I've got some wild ones on the list).

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'I')nterstellar travel is impossible. Einstein was correct. The speed of light can't even be approached, much less exceeded.

[Doly]

I think there's another plausible scenario: there are other civilizations and they aren't hiding from us actively, they're just not trying to attract our attention because they see no reason to do so. We may naively think that an advanced enough civilisation would be producing lots of radio waves, but maybe that's a short phase in the history of technology, until we discover the next best thing. So we don't detect any impressive radio waves because they're really low tech and not a great means for communication. (Sagan suggested this one, he said we may be trying to listen to the tam-tams of advanced civilizations).

In any case, that scenario still means we're on our own.

[0mar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'I')nterstellar travel is impossible. Einstein was correct. The speed of light can't even be approached, much less exceeded.

We'll never get to another solar system, and nobody will get to ours.

[Specop_007]

Thanks rsch20. Think I'll pass on that.

While I agree that aliens advanced enough to travel the stars would most likely zip past our backwater world, there is one plausible theory as to why they may stop here.
Fuel.
If they were to use a propulsion system which required heavy water, they could use Earth as a refueling point. The most logical step would be to find the most advanced culture on the planet at the time of their initial visit and strike up a deal. Trade a relatively archaic peice of equipment (Which is still incredibly advanced by our terms) for the ability to fuel up their ships when they come by.

While a plausible theory as to why they may stop, I still have my doubts as to whether a species has ever existed (or will ever for that matter) that would be advanced enough to make it to their nearest star outside of their own home system, let alone across galaxies. And if they did one would assume they would have overcome any fuel limitations imposed by the method of propulsion.
Its one thing to run out of gas on the freeway, a whole different matter to run out of gas 150 light years from home in some void of space.

Which brings us back to the original question. Why the hell would they stop? We have absolutely nothing to offer them, and in fact they would probably be repulsed by creatures as basic as us.

[Carrie]

Speaking of Greer & the Disclosure Project, apparently Greer is now claiming that SETI has actually made contact:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ccording to Dr. Steven Greer, yes, SETI has recieved multiple exttraterrestrial signals. This news he says, is confirmed by senior employees within the SETI program.

This is what Greer had to say at a recent Exopolitics Conference:

"We have confirmation - and I'm not going to give the name yet because we are trying to coax this guy out of the closet - but one of the senior people in the SETI project, which is the Carl Sagan Search for Extraterrestrial project, has confirmed to the Disclosure Project that they have recieved multiple extraterrestrial signals," Greer said.

"but that now they are getting external human, probably NRO or NSA jamming of those signals and they are getting very frusturated. "

[Petro]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')Which brings us back to the original question. Why the hell would they stop? We have absolutely nothing to offer them, and in fact they would probably be repulsed by creatures as basic as us.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Petro', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')Which brings us back to the original question. Why the hell would they stop? We have absolutely nothing to offer them, and in fact they would probably be repulsed by creatures as basic as us.

[Petro]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Petro', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')Which brings us back to the original question. Why the hell would they stop? We have absolutely nothing to offer them, and in fact they would probably be repulsed by creatures as basic as us.

[Falconoffury]

Firstly, one does not need to believe that UFOs exist. Ample evidence exists to prove their existence. The argument is what UFOs are.

Next, I see most people on these boards making a massive amount of assumptions about the possibility of intelligent extraterrestrial life. The possibilities of technology and culture of alien races is virtually endless. I see too many people assuming that aliens have an industrial, growth-based culture and economy similar to our own. People are also making assumptions about thier technology and fuel sources. For how little we know, a pound of dirt may provide the fuel needed to travel to the far edges of the galaxy when properly used.

We need to humble ourselves in the face of science. We can't make all these assumptions if we want to really learn the truth. Our assumptions are clouding our ability to see the pure facts.

[rsch20]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'F')irstly, one does not need to believe that UFOs exist. Ample evidence exists to prove their existence. The argument is what UFOs are.