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9/11 : FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 22 Jun 2006, 23:24:45

...and had to scramble out of THIS interview as quick as they could!

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Dr. James Fetzer on Hannity and Colmes

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('911Blogger.com', 'D')r. James Fetzer from Scholars for 9/11 Truth was on Hannity and Colmes tonight on FOX News. Hannity was out tonight, and was replaced by Oliver North.

The interview was about as short a segment as I have seen, however once it was cleared up that in fact Scholars for 9/11 Truth does not teach classes on 9/11 in schools - the supposed premise of the show - Dr. Fetzer got in a couple points in the 4 minute segment.


Alot of people believe that the 911 attacks are related to the peak oil phenomenon in a big way. This view has been elaborated at length by Mike Ruppert in his "CROSSING THE RUBICON: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil" but it is a view that is also shared by Barrie Zwicker, the producer/host of "End of Suburbia" and a couple of other films about 911 ("The Grand Conspiracy", for example), and also Richard Heinberg who also believes the government was complicit in the attacks.

see "Richard Heinberg on Dwindling Oil and 9/11"
http://www.energybulletin.net/689.html

These are three Peak Oil notables among the many that we are all familiar with. Lesser known figures such as as Professor Michael Klare, author of "Resource Wars", or F. William Engdahl, author of "A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order", make many references to the way in which the Bush Administration took complete advantage of the 911 attacks in order to invade Afghanistan, Iraq and establish as many military bases as possible in Central Asia. Their references include the occasional jab at the bogus War on Terror that has been a central justification for the invasions which, more and more, appear to be more about oil geopolitics than fighting terrorism.

However, these authors recognize 911 activism as a career buster so they tend to eschew making bold comments about the many unanswered question surrounding the attacks and tend to concentrate on the ideological build-up to the invasions, the subsequent events and possible future outcomes.

The subject of 911 and its aftermath remains fascinating for people who are interested in current events like the slowly decreasing supply of petroleum and how that frightening reality will drive world politics or foment future violent conflicts. However, the view that 911 and peak oil are connected, despite much worthy evidence, has been contained and censored even on PeakOil.com. It's almost against the rules to express support for it.

Many people do not want a renewed investigation into the 911 attacks in which serious questions about would be fully addressed. They would prefer to simply ignore holes in the official theory and ignore the questions that remain. Why anyone would object to a serious, impartial investigation into those attacks is beyond me. I think such an effort goes right to the heart of what is happening in the world these days.

So go ahead. Post all you want about survival techniques and whatnot in a post-peak world. If the dire politics surrounding diminishing energy supplies become as bad as we think they will, trying to survive as a rugged individualist will be about as successful as the Jewish individualists who tried to survive Nazi Germany. It's only through the concerted action as a whole people that Americans can mitigate the threats lie ahead.

Attempts to discover the truth about 911 and its connection to the truth about diminishing world energy supplies are a form of dissent that is needed in a world too often blind and willfully ignorant.
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby PolestaR » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 01:35:41

Peak oil got me a thinking about stabbing my neighbour in the stomach and forcefully taking his loaf of bread.

Now... put me in charge of a military and see what I can do to make sure we have bread when it's coming down. Oh wait, that's happening and has been for some time. ;)
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby And_over » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 03:14:23

Could you debunk Popular Mechanic's article debunking the 9/11 conspiracy theories, or at least provide a link that does.
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby Carlhole » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 04:10:08

[url=http://911review.com/pm/markup/index.html]Popular Mechanics' Deceptive Smear
Against 9/11 Truth by Jim Hoffman[/url]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hoffman', 'T')he March 2005 issue of Popular Mechanics magazine contains a 14-full-page cover article which attacks skepticism about the government and media explanation of the 9/11/01 attack. The primary method of the piece is to build and attack a straw man of myths it claims are "at the root of virtually every 9/11 alternative scenario" embraced by the "growing army of conspiracy theorists." PM selects a combination of 16 valid, erroneous, and inconsequential claims found on websites, implying that they are all endorsed by the "army" of skeptics...
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby Mesuge » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 06:05:10

So we have got physics and other science professors with hard evidence, NIST contractor lab scientist whistleblowers, military pilots and other mil/gov veterans proving beyond reasonable doubt that 9/11 is a hoax.

And the only thing you ask for is to answer a smear piece in Popular Mechanics by homeland security czar Chertoff's 25 year old relative, his cousin Ben who is a "senior researcher" with Herst media? Now, I can understand that with such a public curiosity you can do everything with the american people nowadays, they just don't think and care..
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby NEOPO » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 06:27:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('And_over', 'C')ould you debunk Popular Mechanic's article debunking the 9/11 conspiracy theories, or at least provide a link that does.


Perhaps it does not exactly debunk the PM stance on 911 or the counter stance they were debunking yet please watch the following:
Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime

Music is alittle lame at first - starts kinda slow yet patience is a virtue.

I do not need to see anymore to understand what happened.

After watching this video I must ask "do you?".

911 was the american equivilent of the Reichstag fire

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Why would PO.COM want us to keep 911 theories in the background???
I think its because many a KOOK attached themselves to it.
The same Kooks who espouse alien abduction, NWO and abiotic oil theories.

Many do not wish to be associated with 911 based on fear of reprisal....................don't you know that they are watching us? ;-)

Carl - Fox did not get it wrong - they meant to do that ;-)
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby NEOPO » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 06:39:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', 'S')o we have got physics and other science professors with hard evidence, NIST contractor lab scientist whistleblowers, military pilots and other mil/gov veterans proving beyond reasonable doubt that 9/11 is a hoax.

And the only thing you ask for is to answer a smear piece in Popular Mechanics by homeland security czar Chertoff's 25 year old relative, his cousin Ben who is a "senior researcher" with Herst media? Now, I can understand that with such a public curiosity you can do everything with the american people nowadays, they just don't think and care..


Just wanted to define what this high horse bastard just tried to say ;-)

By "Hoax" he means:
We were setup - its a scam - they pulled the rug out from under us - we were deceived - we were lied to - its a cover up - its a conspiracy - the government allowed it to happen and we have proof!!!!!!!

Now . . . . . . think . . . . . many of the 911 conspiracy theorist folks are government plants.

Thats right - they say something thats easy to shoot down.
They make websites devoted to the simplest contrivances so a government "Expert" can debunk it.

again - watch this:
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby grabby » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 07:46:59

I don't see any connection with 911 and Peak oil at all.

I think 911 is a red herring.
The problem is we are burning 22 million barrels of oil PER DAY in usa and 84 million barrels of oil PER DAY in the world .
that is like 10,000 olympic sized swimming pools of oil PER DAY burning up.
and wells are now running out.

Peak oil says WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE.
that is what peak oil is about, and all the ethanol in the USA , produced today is like putting a tablespoon of gas in a 30 gallon tank, it isnt going to work.

In other words you are soon not going to be driving much, eating much, working much or sleeping much.
and there is no answer to this.

that is peak oil in a nutshell.
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby Exponent » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 08:25:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grabby', 'I') don't see any connection with 911 and Peak oil at all.

I think 911 is a red herring.
The problem is we are burning 22 million barrels of oil PER DAY in usa and 84 million barrels of oil PER DAY in the world .
that is like 10,000 olympic sized swimming pools of oil PER DAY burning up.
and wells are now running out.

Peak oil says WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE.
that is what peak oil is about, and all the ethanol in the USA , produced today is like putting a tablespoon of gas in a 30 gallon tank, it isnt going to work.

In other words you are soon not going to be driving much, eating much, working much or sleeping much.
and there is no answer to this.

that is peak oil in a nutshell.

I gather that the suggested connection is that the US wants to get as large of a percentage of the world's oil that it can, so that it winds up in a world of hurt a few years after everyone else is already in a world of hurt. That would give the US quite a significant geopolitical advantage, regardless of how crappy everything is relative to a decade before. It seems it's not about being better off than we were ten years ago; it's about being better off than everyone else is right now.
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby Mesuge » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 09:16:03

eNEOPO> my last post didn't need translation, I think it's obvious..

Facts are just facts no matter how you try to spin it, obfuscate it or whatever your strange intentions are.


- Buildings don't collapase to their footprint in a freefall fashion after burning few seconds of jet fuel not reaching any fireproofing limits to begin with

- Government's role is not to issue a stand down order for almost two hours while under attack

- Government normaly does not hold or interfere in investigation procedures of homicides, airplane crash sites etc

- Government normaly does not interfere in matters of insider trading connected to terrorist act

- Government normaly does not cancel tender for high security interoperability software (Ptech/GoAgile) used in FAA, DOD and give contract to a company with known terrorist funding going back to Congress investigation into BCCI, skipping thus reliable domestic supplier of this software

- Government normaly does not send known terrorist suspects to its own military training facilities

- Government normaly does not have to deal drugs to fund its black op activities, although it's the easier and documented successfull approach in the recent US history
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby NEOPO » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 09:32:42

Mesuge - I know and was only attempting to compound on what you were saying.
Lovely tidbits you added there so I suppose what I said resulted in positives ;-)

Grabby - You really do not see a connection between 911
->Iraq, afghanistan and peak oil???

It is troubling yet I am not amazed that some people cannot see the bigger picture.
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby Mesuge » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 09:51:41

Well, if you asked whether 9/11 fits into the PO that's obvious..

But I'd urge to focus on one problem at a time, most of the people just can't swallow the BIG picture:

FED -> WWI/II wars, JKF/MLK/RFK assassintations, Watergate, Iran Contra, PO, Gulf I/II, 9/11 -> total dismantling of the US republic

There is just bunch of cretin families behind FED and international banking system who think about themselves as gods (well I would perhaps feel the same way), who steer the most important issues but you can't reach them directly, firstly you have to expose their mechanics like the military-industrial complex, the Repucratic twin party etc..

There are only small historic opportunities or windows when you can crash this system before new equilibrium and new elites degenerate to similar position. The right time has been after 9/11 and I'm afraid it's too late most of the people swallowed it like servants, so this opportunity is lost we have to wait for another, perhaps PO outbrake induced..
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby dhfenton » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 10:19:10

I think a lot of people don't see the connection because they assume the US is a virtuous country that would never engage in a resource war. Of course, we are, so that point is mute.

The connection to 9/11 is obvious if you look first at the neo-con agenda as it ws laid out by the Project for a New American Century. In their report, long before Bush was elected, they predicted the need for a catalyzing event such as Pearl Harbor, to speed their agenda along. People forget that before 9/11 Bush and Rudy Guiliani both were doing very poorly in the polls. It was certain that Bush was going to become an immediate liabilty for the neocons unless something happened to divert the attention of the public from his incompetence. And thus the 9/11 attack was at the least allowed to happen; at worst it was orchestrated to happen.

All of a sudden the public perceptions of reality changed, or in my opinion they became badly warped. All of a sudden we had a real enemy in the middle east, and the neo-con invasion of the oil lands could begin. The neo-cons have long advocated take-over by force of anything they deem to be in the American interest. They view securing the oil supply as one of the highest priorities of their agenda, thus 9/11, Peak Oil, Iraq, Afghanistan, and soon to be Iran (?) all fit together nicely. Remember, oil men are a critical part of the neo-con cabal; there is no underestimating the importance of oil to them.
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby ashurbanipal » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 10:24:09

I think that 9/11 is still quite relevant for those of us concerned about peak oil:

1) We know that the government has lied to us about both.

2) We know that 9/11 complicity (whether LIHOP or MIHOP) was likely motivated by Peak Oil.

3) The lies of 9/11 are easier to expose to the general public than the ones about Peak Oil because the general public does not have a firm grasp of science (given my recent investigations into the history of public education, I think this may be by design). But everyone understands that insider trading means that there's something fishy.

4) Ergo, if we can expose the lies related to 9/11, the general public may also be interested in learning in what other ways they've been deceived. The biggest obstacle I've run into on other forums as I try to educate people about Peak Oil is (incredibly) faith that someone in a position of authority has got some kind of plan to take care of everyone and make everything alright. Of course, we know that this is not correct--but using geology and math to convince someone of this is like trying to converse with them in Pali--it's just not a language most people speak. But if you can convince someone that TPTB have intentionally murdered hundreds of thousands of people, including a few thousand Americans, to get access to oil, it's a short step to get them wondering why they'd be that desperate.
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby Falconoffury » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 11:09:31

The population in the USA grows by over 3 million per year. A few thousand is just a drop in the bucket. We really need a lot more dead just to break even.
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby bartholland » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 11:12:42

So when will do something about it?
When will we go to the streets?
Or do we first need to wait for a new 911 to happen?
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby Mesuge » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 12:02:09

If you are sincere in your efforts you can increase the critical mass by spreading the information by low cost tactics..

- These guys make thousands of CD/DVD copies and puts them into PCs or high def TV in bigboxes in his area. In addition he is doing outreach in dead time like during lunch breaks etc. when you can easily approach strangers and give them your material. This is very effective..

http://www.911blogger.com/2006/06/gypsy ... reets.html

- Similar approach could be borrowed from the leftgatekeepers like Michael Moore, they have got a very good strategy on highway signs calling for impeach W. Now you just add "9/11=inside job" "WTC=controlled demolition" etc

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http://www.freewayblogger.com/impeachment_project2.htm

- Another, approach is to attend local primaries where usually green candidates but also others are increasingly 9/11 aware and support their speaches during meeting in gov. buildings when media and other candidates are present

Now, you have the tools, spread out the wildfire..
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby Mesuge » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 12:16:00

Also make sure that your university or community library has got the basic literature on the topic:

The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11 (Paperback)
by David Ray Griffin, Richard Falk (Foreword)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1566565529/sr=8-16/
qid=1151078871/ref=sr_1_16/002-0012136-9348073?%5Fencoding=UTF8


9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA (Paperback)
by Webster Griffin Tarpley
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0930852370/sr=8-7/
qid=1151078871/ref=sr_1_7/002-0012136-9348073?%5Fencoding=UTF8

The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions And Distortions (Paperback)
by David Ray Griffin
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1566565847/sr=8-1/
qid=1151078871/ref=sr_1_1/002-0012136-9348073?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Research in Political Economy, Volume 23
THE HIDDEN HISTORY OF 9-11-2001
Editor: Paul Zarembka, State University of New York at Buffalo
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepage ... lume23.htm

9/11 & American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out (Paperback)
by David Ray Griffin (Editor), Peter Dale Scott (Editor)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1566566592/sr=8-5/
qid=1151078871/ref=sr_1_5/002-0012136-9348073?%5Fencoding=UTF8


Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action (Paperback)
by David Ray Griffin
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1566566592/sr=8-5/
qid=1151078871/ref=sr_1_5/002-0012136-9348073?%5Fencoding=UTF8
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby Carlhole » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 14:08:03

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[url=http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PZarembka/volume23.htm]Research in Political Economy, Volume 23

THE HIDDEN HISTORY OF 9-11-2001
Editor: Paul Zarembka, State University of New York at Buffalo[/url]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Paul Zarembka', 'T')his comprehensive work brings together rigorous scholarship on the events of 9-11-2001, and assesses whether the truth has been told by the U.S. government. The volume can be seen as a definitive explanation of 9-11 as a world-changing event. The lead chapter demonstrates that eleven of the FBI-named Arabic hijackers could not have been on the planes and that the Dulles airport videotape -- essentially being the case that hijackers boarded flights -- has very serious authentication problems. Part II consists of three chapters, beginning with an examination of the 9-11 flights themselves as well as insider trading beforehand. The following chapter reviews extensive evidence -- based partly upon newly-released reports by more than 500 firefighters -- permitting a conclusion that three WTC buildings were brought down by demolition. The next discusses military drills which were scheduled and served to confuse standard defensive operating procedures.

Part III opens with a chapter examining the connection between al-Qaeda and Western covert operations, showing how al-Qaeda is inseparably connected to the latter. This is followed by a chapter which argues that Machiavellian state terrorism is rather common and not at all unlikely for 9-11. The third chapter of this part examines how the 9-11 Commission wrote its own history of 9-11, rather than reporting and analyzing true history. The rise of Islamophobia as an ideological force to sustain U.S. imperialism is then introduced and examined in the subsequent chapter. In Part IV, the final chapter, while not explicit, offers a possible connection to the process of undermining pensions in the U.K., i.e. as 9-11 changed the political economy of Britain.


At $105, it better be THE definitive analysis. Ouch!

Maybe Aaron could purchase it for the PeakOil.com library so we could all periodically check it out. :-D
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Re: FOX gets it wrong...

Unread postby Mesuge » Fri 23 Jun 2006, 15:47:35

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This pricing is because of the heavy duty academic binding, regular school book price..

Sooner or later it will be digitalized/OCRed and available on the net.
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