[greenworm]

"what is my tax money paying for?"

propaganda.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Terrapin', 'A')ny religion other than the one that worships the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Obviously.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Poordogabone', '.')..
I just don't get it, the best army in the world with the best equipement that money can buy can not sent some navy f... seals to go pick this rotten apple, what is my tax money paying for?

[XOVERX]

I guess some folks haven't figured out the USA has lost the Iraq war.

And I haven't figured out what a NEOLIB is. Anybody got a clue?

[Terrapin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Terrapin', 'A')ny religion other than the one that worships the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Obviously.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Terrapin', 'W')ell for starters, The FSM is the Truth.

We can all see that. You can read about it on the internet.

[eric_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('whereagles', 'M')ilitant leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has been killed, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki has announced.

"Today we have eliminated Zarqawi," Mr Maliki said, sparking sustained applause. The US said he was killed in an air raid near Baquba.

[fireplaceguy]

"Iraq was destined for civil war anyway. "

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'S')ounds like you are assuming a lot right here.

[PolestaR]

Thanks for posting the BERG interview. Hilarious when someone they think is going to support THE MAINSTREAM MEDIAS VIEWS gets on with different views. It is a very rare mainstream media event, maybe it will put a fire up some of the averages watching it.

[RG73]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')america is a cult of personality. the real stories are not on mainstream media. those are video games for idiots.

this guy al zarqwhatthefuck will be replaced tomorrow. we have failed in iraq and that is clear to everyone on the planet earth except you idiots.

[rsch20]

man it's like 18 hours later and CNN is STILL YAMMERING ABOUT THIS CRAP.

nope, no such thing as propaganda.

[untothislast]

Propaganda: believe nothing you hear or see via the media, unless you trust the messenger implicitly. I happen to trust John Pilger - not because he tells me what I want to hear, or want to agree with, but because he's one of the few commentators able to tell me about the things 'they' don't want me to know about. In view of the Al Zarqawi debate here - and the truly humbling testimony of Mr Berg - I offer the following meditation on propaganda, news management, and the public's complicit ignorance.

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/pilger.php?articleid=8350


' . . . . Bereft of irony, but with a snigger, the BBC newsreader Fiona Bruce introduced, as news, a Christmas propaganda film about Bush's dogs. That happened. Now imagine Bruce reading the following: "Here is delayed news, just in. From 1945 to 2005, the United States attempted to overthrow 50 governments, many of them democracies, and to crush 30 popular movements fighting tyrannical regimes. In the process, 25 countries were bombed, causing the loss of several million lives and the despair of millions more." (Thanks to William Blum's Rogue State, Common Courage Press, 2005).


The icon of horror of Saddam Hussein's rule is a 1988 film of petrified bodies in the Kurdish town of Halabja, killed in a chemical weapons attack. The attack has been referred to a great deal by Bush and Blair and the film shown a great deal by the BBC. At the time, as I know from personal experience, the Foreign Office tried to cover up the crime at Halabja. The Americans tried to blame it on Iran. Today, in an age of images, there are no images of the chemical weapons attack on Fallujah in November 2004. This allowed the Americans to deny it until they were caught out recently by investigators using the Internet. For the BBC, American atrocities simply do not happen.


In 1999, while filming in Washington and Iraq, I learned the true scale of bombing in what the Americans and British then called Iraq's "no-fly zones." During the 18 months to Jan. 14, 1999, U.S. aircraft flew 24,000 combat missions over Iraq; almost every mission was bombing or strafing. "We're down to the last outhouse," a U.S. official protested. "There are still some things left [to bomb], but not many." That was six years ago. In recent months, the air assault on Iraq has multiplied; the effect on the ground cannot be imagined. For the BBC, it has not happened . . .'

[Terrapin]

MSN/AP

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')VIENNA, Austria (AP) - Oil prices rose back near $71 a barrel Friday, with the kidnapping of a senior Iraqi petroleum industry official serving as a reminder that the killing of al-Qaida's leader in Iraq did not mean the end of violence and instability in that country.

l analysts cautioned against reading too much into the U.S. airstrike that killed Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian-born militant who led a campaign of suicide bombings, kidnappings and other violence across Iraq. Attacks on the country's oil infrastructure, including pipelines, were not directly linked to his movement…

[greenworm]

"hardly, greenworm - remember saddam's gassing of the kurds? or who the no-fly zones protected?

Yes, I remember, the good ol' US of Atrocity gave them gas. I didn't say there wasn't civil strife, I said that doesn't always lead to civil war. There is a difference.


"fairy tales??? you forget saddam's endles shell games with the inspectors? or do you just want to ignore that the continued oppression of minorities was one of the reasons he wanted to stay in power? after all, the proud papa and his sons did seem to really enjoy themselves when it came to torture..."

Oh, kinda like Iran's shell games, hahaha! I'm not going to touch this one, I am laughing too hard.

" since you agree with the following statement about the brits putting those groups together you shouldn't contradict yourelf by saying those forces weren't pent up! secondly, your analogy - far from invalidating daryl's argument - is an unsettling notion that actually requires more thought, not less - especially in the context of peak oil... "

Opposing forces don't have to collide, this is false logic. Why hasn't the African-American population or the Indian population for that matter attacked the rich white folks, huh? Majority of the African-Americans are in the south and undeniably getting a raw deal in terms of wealth distribution. So, by your accounts there should be a civil war of some sorts, for a struggle to power.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'L')et's just remember that the reason Iraq needs "rebuilding" is that the US Empire blew most of it up or created internal conflicts among factions that led to blowing it up.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Poordogabone', 'I') just don't get it, the best army in the world with the best equipement that money can buy can not send some navy f... seals to go pick this rotten apple, what is my tax money paying for?

[khebab]

Question: was Al-Zarqawi a creation of the Iraq war?

I've never heard of him before.

[Daryl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', ' ')"The US invasion just unleashed pent up forces that ultimately needed to be resolved anyway."

So by your argument the US is due for a good fight btw blacks and whites. Rethink this argument, please.

[greenworm]

"This is the same thing the US is doing in Iraq today, preventing civil war, not starting it."

That is backwards, without the US intervention, there would be no civil war. We are there to sell of their assets to highest bidder, period.

[Daryl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', '"')This is the same thing the US is doing in Iraq today, preventing civil war, not starting it."

That is backwards, without the US intervention, there would be no civil war. We are there to sell of their assets to highest bidder, period.