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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby xarkz » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 15:33:11

Good if he’s dead – this time. But it wont change anything..

some older news

March 4, 2004 - dead
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/

http://counterterror.typepad.com/the_count...rqawi_deat.html
June 3, 2005 - dead

May 11, 2006 - seriously Injured
http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=...165740392&par=0

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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby Mesuge » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 16:11:59

Pls. get some serious journalism on the topic like from Robert Fisk/UK. Unlike the US hotel lobby based scribblers this guy knows Iraq from outside the green zone..

There are many insurgents factions inside Iraq and most
of them are domestic not foreign..

Todays interview here or google for his articles and books:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl? ... 08/1418201
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby NEOPO » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 17:19:27

Pstarr - ;-)

yeah whats up with the markets today anyways?

"and thanks to precision ultra tech bombing abilities we were able to disintegrate the body yet saw his head clean off so we could take pictures with our friends".

hang on I am going to try to communicate with SPECOP....

Ug bug darg marg - ug bug soo dar lig bop!! dar ug mar kill!!!

*offers spe a louse from his arse in a gesture of friendship*
muahahah ;-)

Ok now for a bit of ANGER which I must stress children IS YOUR GIFT!!
Ok they knew EXACTLY where he was because thats what they fucking said.....etc etc blah cause we have the best intel etc etc blah so why didnt they just go get him instead of killing a woman and child and the others?

wow how fuckin pussyfied is that.......

men?

leaders?

WAKE UP!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!

We trained them - we armed them - we financed them worldwide.

We turned on them once we had no further use for them or our goals were not their goals and vice versa and THEN the former anti communist/whatever we did not like/ cells became terrorist cells.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive"
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 18:25:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('untothislast', 'I') don't put any faith in 'news' coming out of Iraq - unless it's been verified by someone reputable, like John Pilger or George Monbiot.

British SAS members, dressed as Iraqis in a car full of explosives? Join your own dots.


Excellent way to go through life. Only listen to those who share your beliefs, and dismiss everything else as propoganda.
Might as well just hide in the sand altogether.


I don't trust anyone who can't spell "propaganda," because it suggests he or she lacks the education, reading background, and general depth to offer credible critical analysis. (And I know it isn't just a typo 'cause I've seen you do it before.)
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 18:31:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DigitalCubano', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
')"The business of stabilizing Iraq" = making it safe for the importation of Wal-Mart and the maximum exportation of oil to the West. It'll never work, not in that bee's nest that has caused trouble for imperial invaders since the age of Rome.


Um, was I advocating that? No. I meant getting the infrastructure repaired so that Iraqis can finally start to rebuild in earnest. You are aware that Al Zarqawi was targeting civilians, water treatment facilites and police stations as well, right? I have some pretty strong opinions about the invasion, but I also recognize that Iraq needs help at this point to rebuild. Most Iraqls welcome this help and the insurgency has been effective at stymieing progress. Perhaps now rebuilding can commence and a civil war can be avoided.


Let's just remember that the reason Iraq needs "rebuilding" is that the US Empire blew most of it up or created internal conflicts among factions that led to blowing it up. Let's also bear in mind that any "help" from us comes with a huge price tag attached.

Further, there is no independent, self-directed Iraq. The "government" that exists is a puppet government that is just an extension of the Empire.
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby greenworm » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 18:39:49

Pstar,

Sad thing is, most americans aren't aware of that. Well said.

This supposed killing is well timed don't ya think. Oil floating above $70 a barrel for a while, major oil companies cannot get anymore lift in their stock because there is just no more room for growth i.e. who really wants to pay $90 a share for anything besides google and also some Indian worker is probably collecting your paycheck. Ol' al greenspan admitting there is a problem with supply/demand settin' up the uniformed sheeple to put their money into oil cause they just heard Ol' Al telling it like it is. Haditha, Haditha, Haditha. Another fake terrorist ring up in Canada, eh, I heard the ringleader was part of the Canadanian military, eh. Karl rove spinning in his chair, with his little propellar hat going "Eureka! Will hit them with the fake terrorist ring, that will establish that they are planning something and the millions going to homeland security is actually working, then will hit em' with the Zarqawi story cause that will give all our rich friends a valid reason to cash out on their oil stocks cause we are winning the war on terror and it also establishes a motive for revenge(like there isn't one already). Brilliant, boy do I love this job".

Raise your hand if you try to read through this baloney!
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby Lighthouse » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 18:45:16

For the rest of the world he was a terrorist. For his people he was a freedom fighter, a hero.

You can't kill a freedom fighter. Unfortunately you make him stronger blowing him up into very small pieces.

I bet his people are sitting now in dark rooms whispering revenge and making plans to retaliate ...
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby DigitalCubano » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 18:54:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'L')et's just remember that the reason Iraq needs "rebuilding"...


Agreed.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'L')et's also bear in mind that any "help" from us comes with a huge price tag attached.


I suppose we could quibble over what exactly that means, but I understand your point.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'F')urther, there is no independent, self-directed Iraq. The "government" that exists is a puppet government that is just an extension of the Empire.


That may be true, but I suppose I'm coming from a humanist viewpoint. By all accounts, the country is still in disarray and there is still a ton of suffering, a fair amount of that as a result of a violent, indiscriminant insurgency. Perhaps with the figurehead of that insurgency now dead, the situation can improve for the average Iraqi. I can hope for that without needing to make and specific value judgment over the invasion and occupation.
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby emailking » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 18:59:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('untothislast', 'I') don't put any faith in 'news' coming out of Iraq - unless it's been verified by someone reputable, like John Pilger or George Monbiot.

British SAS members, dressed as Iraqis in a car full of explosives? Join your own dots.


Excellent way to go through life. Only listen to those who share your beliefs, and dismiss everything else as propoganda.
Might as well just hide in the sand altogether.


I don't trust anyone who can't spell "propaganda," because it suggests he or she lacks the education, reading background, and general depth to offer credible critical analysis. (And I know it isn't just a typo 'cause I've seen you do it before.)


Or it means someone doesn't know how to spell a word that never necessarily comes up during education. Also, given that spelling is often ad hoc (seemingly), there is no hard link with intelligence or ability to reason.

After all, *couldn't* it be spelled "propoganda" just as easily? Then he would be right.
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 20:45:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')america is a cult of personality. the real stories are not on mainstream media. those are video games for idiots.

this guy al zarqwhatthefuck will be replaced tomorrow. we have failed in iraq and that is clear to everyone on the planet earth except you idiots.
sometimes I wonder why I keep on here, (well I know but that's another subject). First of all, the idea that America is a cult of personality is the most abject nonsense. Do you see posters and statues of Bush everywhere? Do you get thrown in prison or tortured for speaking out against Bush? This is puerile nonsense. This is infantile. The guy who replaces Zarqawi may not be available. Cut off the head and the fish rots. We'll see about that. But Zarqawi cut Nick Berg's head off, and it's good to see him offed.
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby greenworm » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 20:49:24

I just heard on the news, "Will Zarqawi's death bring down the oil price?" Funny thing is that there is no correlation, but that doesn't matter, $65 barrel on the russian market, now that matters. :razz:
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby RonMN » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 21:00:51

I wanna hear 1 solid plan from the NEOLIBS...I'm waiting (tapping foot)... What is your bigger & better plan? All i hear is bitching..."this wont mean anything"..."There will even lead to MORE attacks"...

Well, WTF should we do? Lay down & die? I for one, Am NOT ready to do that...Nor am I willing to follow a false religion...so...i'm waiting... Can any NEOLIB out there give me a better plan? Other than to fight? I'm waiting...(tapping foot)...
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby greenworm » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 21:06:13

I am not a neolib whatever the heck that means. The US could go home! There, problem solved, you can stop tapping your foot. I'm not sure what you mean by false religion, all of them seem pretty false and silly to me.
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby Lighthouse » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 21:31:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', '.').. Nor am I willing to follow a false religion ...


Excuse me, what does that mean? I there a right religion? If yes which one is it? The one with the most members?

    - Christianity: 2.1 billion
    - Islam: 1.3 billion
    - Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
    - Hinduism: 900 million
    - Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
    - Buddhism: 376 million
    - primal-indigenous: 300 million
    - African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
    - Sikhism: 23 million
    - Juche: 19 million
    - Spiritism: 15 million
    - Judaism: 14 million
    - Baha'i: 7 million
    - Jainism: 4.2 million
    - Shinto: 4 million
    - Cao Dai: 4 million
    - Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
    - Tenrikyo: 2 million
    - Neo-Paganism: 1 million
    - Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
    - Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
    - Scientology: 500 thousand
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby greenworm » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 21:39:07

Lighthouse,

Thanks for the list. Yep, there they are, all of the folks that spend way too much time on their knees praying to the clouds, let's throw a dart and see which one is the right one. :razz:
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby Terrapin » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 21:42:38

Any religion other than the one that worships the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Obviously.
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby Daryl » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 21:56:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'L')et's just remember that the reason Iraq needs "rebuilding" is that the US Empire blew most of it up or created internal conflicts among factions that led to blowing it up.


Iraq was destined for civil war anyway. That's why Saddam could never admit to the world that he had no WMD. That's why he kept invading his neighbors. The US invasion just unleashed pent up forces that ultimately needed to be resolved anyway. If you want to blame anybody, blame the British for putting all of these groups in one state after they carved up the Ottoman Empire in 1918.

Oh, I'm sorry. I making things too complicated for Heineken, pstarr and their ilk. Here you go: "Everything bad in the world is because of Bush and the neocons". Feel better?
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby greenworm » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 22:04:36

Daryl, "Iraq was destined for civil war anyway. "
Sounds like you are assuming a lot right here. "That's why Saddam could never admit to the world that he had no WMD."
At least someone believes in fairy tales. "That's why he kept invading his neighbors." Actually this is false, he did for power grab reasons/protection. Kuwait-google horizontal drilling. Iran- google what lies in the mountains btw these nations. hint: black gooey stuff.

"The US invasion just unleashed pent up forces that ultimately needed to be resolved anyway." So by your argument the US is due for a good fight btw blacks and whites. Rethink this argument, please.

"If you want to blame anybody, blame the British for putting all of these groups in one state after they carved up the Ottoman Empire in 1918." Hey, you got one right. Good job.
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Re: Al Zarqawi killed in Iraq air raid

Unread postby Poordogabone » Thu 08 Jun 2006, 22:40:08

I guess someone upstairs decided that getting Z alive for intelligence
extraction was a bad idea or maybe a liability for his employer? or financier? and therefore protecting them. This seems all too orchestrated.
Don't tell me (and Rumsfeld did on c-span) that it was too risky to apprehend him,
that he might of run away etc...
I just don't get it, the best army in the world with the best equipement that money can buy can not sent some navy f... seals to go pick this rotten apple, what is my tax money paying for?
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