[Atlantean_Relic]

Any young men concerned about a draft? It is not outside the realm of possibility that before this thing plays out a draft would be instated. I'm like 25 now so I'm sure I'm draft bait. The last person to go to war in my family was my grandfather. From what I've heard he was proud to go fight for his nation. I'm not sure I could do so. I know the game being played. I can't find my self a reason to want to fight. It won't be a war to protect my home and God can fight his own battles. I find myself asking what debt I owe my country. Then there are my brothers they're 18. I still haven't told them of PO. I have launched a few questions in their direction in concern with oil. They are fully armoured in the common's man defence against PO. Should the draft happen should I leave them their delusions or should try to show them the truth?

[mekrob]

Become worth something so that the Government won't at least put you in harm's way. If you're a really good engineer (specifically petroleum or resevoir), then they will definately make sure that you are kept safe and secure. Or start a business soon, make millions, and donate 99% of it to the Neocons. You'll be safe then...(maybe)

[Kylon]

I'm ineligible due to a medical condition.

Oh, and I wouldn't be worrying about the neocons coming to power that much.

The religious right has pretty much realized Bush & Co. is basically out to screw them over.

The American people have wisened up, a little.

What they will probably go for next in a presidental candidate, and will later on, is somebody promising bread and circuses. Democrats can be just as nasty, and warlike as the neocons.

The neocons probably did all of these political disasters because they wanted to convert as much of that political capital as they have to financial resources before the American people choose the Democrats, once and for all, until the collapse.

Just remember Vietnam. A huge amount of that was done by The Great Society founded LBJ. George Macnamarra was his advisor, as was responsible for most of it. I can't fully remember whether LBJ started though.

Anyways, Democrats(and leftist in general for that matter) can be just as militaristic as neocons, and they generally promise socialist policies, which general help(and generally only help) the poorest of the poor, which is soon to be the majority of people.

I think that we are going to go into a semi-communist era, so if I were donating to anyone, it would be the Democrats.

Remember, Hitler was a socialist, and then he later became a fascist(because fascism is simply an evolution of socialism. Once power is secured for the elite, they no longer have to play to the masses, and after that, they bring in corporations(although heavily regulated) to increase the efficiency of their totalitarian operations, while reducing the resources they have to spend on the poor).

[azreal60]

Not to be hugely off topic, but Facism is Not the automatic out growth of socialism. If your facist, your pretty much facist from the begining. Hitler only used the word socialist to get himself access to a party that was gaining power. He then twisted it for his own ends.

What's with all the nazi stuff recently, it's like a spooge of nasty liquid that surges to the surface every once in a while.

[SinisterBlueCat]

with all due respect, i am not sure the subject title is quite right. i think it should read "concerns for young people in the future"

this is by no means meant as a politically correct sort of thing, i just believe sooner than later that any and all able bodied person is going to be forced to serve whether male or female. in fact back in feb a congressman (yes, a democrat) from NY introduced a bill (Universal National Service Act of 2006 - HR 4752 IH) aiming at drafting everyone - men and women alike - from the ages of 18 to 42 into the military for a minimum period of 2 years.

in regards to the topic in general, i could not agree with mekrob more.

[Kylon]

quote: Azreal60

Not to be hugely off topic, but Facism is Not the automatic out growth of socialism. If your facist, your pretty much facist from the begining. Hitler only used the word socialist to get himself access to a party that was gaining power. He then twisted it for his own ends.


It doesn't matter whether they start fascist or socialist, communist, democrat or republican, once they get absolute power, and the people follow them completely, and they have enough troops to have everything secured, then yes, they will go towards either Nazisitic fascism, or Communistic Stalinism, which are almost identical in regards to the lifestyle of the average citizen. Remember, Hitler only killed 12 million of his people(this was due to the fact that he had less time to kill people then Stalin), while Stalin killed 30 million. Hitler and Stalin made a pact together to share the territories between them(which Hitler broke). The reason Stalin worked with Hitler was because they were almost identical in their real, root ideology, which was totaltarianism.

[lotrfan55345]

Erm... Can you get drafted if you have *cough* athsma?

[SinisterBlueCat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'E')rm... Can you get drafted if you have *cough* athsma?

[Princess]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'E')rm... Can you get drafted if you have *cough* athsma?

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'E')rm... Can you get drafted if you have *cough* athsma?

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'I')f we're really going to be instituted a national draft in which it may be your priority to dodge it, then don't you think we would have degraded into a pretty shitty political and economic state that the government would probably just mass slaughter all of the people who are ill (let's call them the 'germ terrorists')?

[Novus]

As a young man I am more worried about forced labor camps then being forced to go to war. It is far easier to hand someone a pick and shovel and tell them to dig or no food then it is to train(brainwash) soldiers to kill, loot, and piliage for the state.

[PrairieMule]

AR-

I think every US male can relate to to being draft bait at one time or a another. I remember being 20 and watching CNN in my dorm when Operation Desert Sheild become Desert Storm thinking "Oh great the shooting started". I figured after a year of occupation in Iraq selective service will call my number. The talking heads pontificated and speculated then just as they do now, but it never came.

Novus makes a strong argument about the possibilities of camps. I think if America went into a depression these sinister version of the CCC camps of the 1930's would become a reality.

[Kylon]

What if you opt out of government food/forced labor programs and the military?

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'W')hat if you opt out of government food/forced labor programs and the military?

[Zardoz]

A huge percentage of people who go into the all-volunteer military now do so because they don't have any other good option.

As jobs continue to be exported overseas, and job prospects for young people continue to worsen, it will only make the military more and more atttractive, won't it?

If you believe the "elite" is orchestrating the destruction of the American middle class, and is deliberately widening the gap between rich and poor, then it follows that this is all part of the plan. Make it tougher and tougher for the young, and you'll always have a huge pool of volunteers going into the military.

Sure, it smacks of a conspiracy theory, but you have to admit that things sure are working out that way, aren't they? As things get worse for the young, and choices are reduced, a draft is unnecessary. With conditions such as they are, there will always be plenty of volunteers.

[gnm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'A')s a young man I am more worried about forced labor camps then being forced to go to war. It is far easier to hand someone a pick and shovel and tell them to dig or no food then it is to train(brainwash) soldiers to kill, loot, and piliage for the state.

[Kylon]

We most likely won't have a draft again until things get really, really bad, and by that time we will wish we were dead, and or there will be a tyranically fascist dictator.

I agree with Zardoz, Young people will join the military because it's the only option for them, other than starving.

[eric_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SinisterBlueCat', '
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this is by no means meant as a politically correct sort of thing, i just believe sooner than later that any and all able bodied person is going to be forced to serve whether male or female. in fact back in feb a congressman (yes, a democrat) from NY introduced a bill (Universal National Service Act of 2006 - HR 4752 IH) aiming at drafting everyone - men and women alike - from the ages of 18 to 42 into the military for a minimum period of 2 years.

[SinisterBlueCat]

yup, it is a fact.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtex ... =h109-4752