[Kylon]

I was wondering what the fallout of Peak Oil will be in respect to race issues?

No one else(I believe) has touched this issue(due to it's explosive nature), but since most of us here think being politically correct in situations of life of death is pointless, and completely ignorant, I will go on.

I mean, I know there are alot of racist whites, and seemingly more racist blacks(they can get away with it, so it's not conditioned out of them, or at least they aren't afraid to show any racism they have), and I know Asians in many cases tend to be ethnocentric, and thus to some degree racist.

My question is, once all of this fuzzy huzzy, societal conditioning, were all the same, no one is different at all, we all have the same thoughts, you can be whatever you want to be genetics doesn't play a part of it, it's environment not nature that counts! stuff evaporates, what do you think the masses will do?

Because it doesn't take a genius to see we ARE different. If we weren't different there would neither be the categorization of different races, nor would there be any racism, at all. Ontop of that, if we were all trully the same, then statistical analysis would be pointless(which it isn't, it is a valuable tool), we would more than likely share the exact same culture, and statistics for one group would be very, very similar to statistics for another.

But the truth is we ARE different, and everyone sees these differences, they just try to pretend that they don't see them, for fear of being labeled a "racist". However, groups that have officially categorized minority status(i.e everyone except white males), can, and do get away with being openly racist/sexist.

Now, once the government(our current commonality) who is trying to keep peace, loses power, and the people are no longer kept controlled, will people band together with people with more or less commonalities?

I am thinking that people will end up banding with people with similar traits. Most likely it will be religious grouping primarily. There will probably be all the Mormons getting together to figure out what to do, whether the Mormons are black or white. With the Christian fundamentalist, it will probably be the same as well, black and white Christian fundamentalist together. But what I think will happen, is the black groups will/do have a slightly different culture, and will probably be more and more inclined towards grouping with other black people. Now, in the near term, this will just mean religious discrimination(if your not part of religion X, you can't come into the colony, but if you repent and believe in X, then you can join the enlightened people), but as black people and white people tend to clump together with other white or black people, their differences may grow.

Among the secular groups with little ideological commonalities, race may be a big player in forming groups. We may see gangs like the black panthers coming back together(who by the way, were little more then criminals with an ideological bend), and since the black population has been poor longer, statistically are more inclind to be in prison(thus having more experience at surviving in tough situations), and are more likely to enter the military(due to the fact that they are poor, and one of the few options for the poor is the military), they may fair better then alot of white people during a government meltdown. Further more, out of need of commonality(and perhaps response to growing fear of the amassing mega black gangs/armies) groups of secular white people may get together, and form their own racist gangs(like the skin heads, or the KKK, or the Nazis, hopefully however, something more benign will be created).

BTW, I'm not black, I'm just raising the issue, because this WILL be an issue in the future. Right now the various groups are living in semi-harmony with another, but things can/will easily revert back to the way things were before government intervention. We all have the commonality of U.S citizenship right now, once thats gone, are link to one another may become weaker.

The racism we see is unfortunately only the tip of the iceberg, and without restraints, not only will it show it's full force, but it will get worse.

As one racist group attacks another, that group will use the others actions, and fear of the other group as a rallying cry, this will in turn, that group will then commit crimes against the other group, forming a cycle of hatred.

It may initially be very small groups of perpetrators, but in times of choas, where fear abounds, gangs like that may grow rapidly. As one black/white gang attacks the others race, that other race may use that as a political tool to amass forces, while promising the acquistion of material goods in the process. I see the black groups attacking first, due to the fact that their gangs are already united around race issues, they have a culture of fear of the white man(provoking them to attack first, while they have the advantage), anger at past injustices, and the white population has been conditioned not to work together around race as a commonality. The black gang members may see the collapse as an opportunity to get "retribution" for what was stolen from them, and a chance for revenge. They may think that since the white man enslaved them, that they should enslave the white man in return.


So,

1. What are we going to do about this?

2. Any comments?

3. Any other possible solutions?

I'm personally a Christian, so I can use that commonality to team up with other christians in times of choas.

[ClassicSpiderman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut the truth is we ARE different, and everyone sees these differences, they just try to pretend that they don't see them, for fear of being labeled a "racist". However, groups that have officially categorized minority status(i.e everyone except white males), can, and do get away with being openly racist/sexist.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClassicSpiderman', '
')"Now, it's a known fact that racism comes in two forms: that practiced by whites--heinous and inexcusable, whatever its motives--and that practiced by blacks--quite justified, whatever its excesses, since it's merely the expression of a righteous revenge, and it's up to the whites to be patient and understanding." [/i] Jean Raspail, _Camp of the Saints_ (1973)

The NWO fears the white man.

[pea-jay]

I do not think racism leading to open conflict is the default scenario for every area that is dragged down by falling prospects brought on by falling energy supplies. It however IS important to discuss and be aware of because some pretty nasty stuff may happen without government or local group intervention.

What I mean is, areas that are culturally diverse can, and probably will break down into violence IF there is a scramble for dwinding resources. Race/ethnicity identification will probably lead to group/gang formation that seeks out to protect itself against others to control the remaining resources. Since participation in a group always ensures better access to resources, there is a built in incentive for this kind of allegiance.

I base my not "default" assesment of racial conflict because mitigating circumstances will prevent this from happening in number of areas that are:

* homogenous or nearly so. Thats a duh statement, but I don't expect serious racial conflict in an all white or all black or all Puerto Rican (and so on) are for obvious reasons and even in areas with small minority percentages, the minorities are far to small to cause problems as to "threaten" the majority's status for fear of reprisals while the majority could tend to ignore them or even assimilate them. Given enough time and isolation, a racial or ethnic population WILL be assimilated genetically into the larger population.

* diverse with a history of intermarriage. When everyone is part something else, conflict based on ethnicity makes little sense. Doesnt mean skin tone biases will be ignored either, as latin american countries have made clear. But conflict probably wont be based on race/ethnicity here either.

* any place of low population density. If everyone has room for themselves, violence will probably not be too high here either.

Governments AND political movements can staunch racist ideology by refocusing conflict on another identifying feature, either religion or by class. Both have been leveraged in the past. Communist states of Europe were especially adept at keeping ethno-religious conflicts to a minimum by focusing anger or attention elsewhere in combination with repressive personal control.

Where would I not want to be:

* an area already overpopulated. Ensures whatever conflict that does occur will be more violent due to more competion.

* an area with 25% to 50% racial/ethnic minority with NO substantive history of integration.

* an area 20% to 50% comprised of immigrants from one countr.

[Doly]

What tends to happen when things get tough is that one particular group gets targeted. In the current climate, the group that has the most chances to get targeted in Europe and the States is clearly Muslims. If I were a Muslim in either Europe or the States, I would be seriously considering migrating to a country where Muslims are the majority.

Other groups that are likely to be targeted are immigrants of any sort ("They come to steal our jobs!") It will depend, of course, how relations with that particular group of immigrants have gone in the past. In my case, I'm Spanish but get sometimes confused with Indian (I'm pretty brown). Both groups have had good relations with the British so far, so I'm not particularly worried.

[Jenab6]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'A')s one racist group attacks another, that group will use the others actions, and fear of the other group as a rallying cry, this will in turn, that group will then commit crimes against the other group, forming a cycle of hatred.

[Jenab6]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', 'O')ther groups that are likely to be targeted are immigrants of any sort ("They come to steal our jobs!")

[ClassicSpiderman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', 'E')ventually, somebody wins and that cycle comes to an end. You don't see any Australopithecus robustus folks around here anyplace, do you? That's because our ancestor, Homo erectus, wiped him out about a million years ago. Similarly, Cro-Magnon defeated and displaced Neanderthal from Europe and began the modern White race. Cro-Magnon's descendants took about 40,000 years to get to the point where a conquest of the world was beginning to seem doable, about 1900, but then he let a clever parasitical group invade his countries, change his culture, turn him from extroverted conqueror to introverted neurotic, and now it's the White race that's in danger of extinction. The point I wanted to make, however, is that those cycles aren't endless; they're evolution, and they eventually terminate in displacement.

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', '2'). Any comments?

[holmes]

perfect seldom seen.

"It however IS important to discuss and be aware of because some pretty nasty stuff may happen without government or local group intervention. "

This has potential to be totalitarian, communist, dictatorship, etc.
Government big brothership is not my idea of progressive. The gubmint will most probably be doing the horrible things. Remember communism is a failure.

[Ludi]

I don't foresee it being a serious problem in my local area.

[lotrfan55345]

Ohh I hate those chinky eyes.