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"peak oil in 40 years"

Postby SoothSayer » Wed 31 May 2006, 07:59:51

Article discusses peak Oil: Link

Peak oil
In respect of proven reserves, Peak oil is not far away. Numbers vary but, on average, it is said that the peak will occur in about 40 years from now.

This peak could be postponed by 3 things:

1. Finding new reserves - which is becoming increasingly more difficult.

2. A rise in the recovery factory: rise in production. Only 30% of present oil is currently being produced; because of technical reasons, the rest remains below ground. Aramco recently claimed to have developed the technology to raise the recovery factor to 70%.

3. Substitution. Another aspect of technical development is that people are now able to create oil and ethanol (which can be mixed with regular fuel) from sugar, grain and palm oil. This development has already resulted in extreme price increases in these commodity classes.
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Re: "peak oil in 40 years"

Postby Doly » Wed 31 May 2006, 08:01:35

In respect of proven reserves, Peak oil is not far away. Numbers vary but, on average, it is said that the peak will occur in about 40 years from now.

And when was this written?
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Re: "peak oil in 40 years"

Postby Lighthouse » Wed 31 May 2006, 08:03:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '[')i]In respect of proven reserves, Peak oil is not far away. Numbers vary but, on average, it is said that the peak will occur in about 40 years from now.

And when was this written?


December 1967 :roll:
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Re: "peak oil in 40 years"

Postby Battle_Scarred_Galactico » Wed 31 May 2006, 08:28:34

Poor dears, I think they're getting confused bless them.

40 years was the predicted "out of oil" date, as in, gone. A prediction which didn't take into account rising population/demand, or depletion in supply.

Try again.
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Re: "peak oil in 40 years"

Postby mekrob » Wed 31 May 2006, 08:55:29

Or taking time to look up what 'peak oil' actually means.
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Re: "peak oil in 40 years"

Postby Zardoz » Wed 31 May 2006, 09:13:04

Consider the source. These people know what is going to happen to them when the oil age grinds to a halt. You can't blame the author for wishing and hoping that the end is far off in the future.
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Re: "peak oil in 40 years"

Postby grabby » Wed 31 May 2006, 09:14:08

Maybe if we buy '67 Mustangs, we can relive the old days and pretend peak oil is i the future.
Hothing like a good pony car to forget about our oil worries, until I fill up that is.
I think oil was 19 cents a gallon in 1967.
Check your change in your pocket , you still have some 1967 dimes and pennies and quarters in your pocket, the very same quarter that bought 1 1/2 gallons of gas in 1967 when it was first minted.
Now THAT's inflation!


oh I get it, in 1967 was the PEAK :

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peak discovery article', '
')Global oil discoveries peaked in the 1960s but are rapidly declining as oil becomes harder to find. Today there is a growing gap between oil discovery and production.


Peak global oil discoveries! about 40 years ago.
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Re: "peak oil in 40 years"

Postby Revi » Wed 31 May 2006, 09:19:52

Peak oil is just about on schedule. 1967-2007 is...40 years. Where are we now? It looks like the peak to me. The world hasn't been able to crack 85 million barrels per day for the past couple of years. The price has skyrocketed from $20 to $75 a barrel in the past few years. If this isn't quite the peak, we're close.
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Re: "peak oil in 40 years"

Postby directinfo » Wed 31 May 2006, 09:30:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', 'A')rticle discusses peak Oil: Link

... (snip)

3. Substitution. Another aspect of technical development is that people are now able to create oil and ethanol (which can be mixed with regular fuel) from sugar, grain and palm oil. This development has already resulted in extreme price increases in these commodity classes. [/i]


Substitution is great! I like it a lot.

For example the Consumer Price Index will substitute foods in the basket of goods to keep the expectations of inflation low, even when inflation is booming to the moon. For example, if beef raises by 30% in price and chicken stays flat, they may substitute chicken for beef in the basket. That proves that we didn't pay more for food, get it? Substitution.

And we can do the same thing with sugar. Oil makes sugar and then sugar makes gas. We sort of get two uses for the same barrel of oil, get it?

First we get a barrel of oil. Then we grow mountains of sugar cane to be industrially harvested and refined and transported and used as gas. Then we stick the gas into a tractor and grow more sugar cane. We can go round and round like that forever on the same barrel of oil apparently... very efficient.

Well, not yet... that is when the technology will be developed. We WILL BE very efficient. All we need are the zero waste incubators to seal correctly with the fusion pressers and then when a few other gizmo things added will do the trick!

No word yet from society whether they are willing to circle around the oil feedback loop forever without burning some of that gas for themselves.

Let's take a survey on that.

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Re: "peak oil in 40 years"

Postby Sleepybag » Wed 31 May 2006, 09:52:31

What about this quote from the article:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oil: black gold', 'O')il is a finite resource and, although people in the know say that a global peak in oil production is imminent, I would remind you that this does not necessarily mean that oil prices will continue to rise.


Obviously, prices don't necessarily rise. Alternatives however, will not be able to fill the space left by reduced oil availability.
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Re: "peak oil in 40 years"

Postby SoothSayer » Wed 31 May 2006, 10:29:04

You've spotted the internal inconsistency in the article:

One section says that the peak is in 40 years and the other says it "imminent".

Oops!
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Re: "peak oil in 40 years"

Postby EnergySpin » Thu 01 Jun 2006, 04:18:34

It all depends on the precise definition of "year".
By year we usually mean the amount it takes for a celestial body to complete its rotation around the sun.
IIRC it takes 27 days for the sun to complete a rotation around itself.
Since the author did not say "earth years", but he did say imminent it is safe to conclude he was referring to "sun years". So the peak date is 40 x 27 earth days = 1080 earth days = 3.04 earth years.
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Re: "peak oil in 40 years"

Postby Quigley » Thu 01 Jun 2006, 06:50:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '[')i]In respect of proven reserves, Peak oil is not far away. Numbers vary but, on average, it is said that the peak will occur in about 40 years from now.

And when was this written?


December 1967 :roll:


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Re: "peak oil in 40 years"

Postby Revi » Thu 01 Jun 2006, 11:39:52

I wish peak oil was 40 years away.
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Re: "peak oil in 40 years"

Postby kam30en » Thu 01 Jun 2006, 13:48:25

I think what they meant was 40 days.
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Re: "peak oil in 40 years"

Postby julianj » Fri 02 Jun 2006, 11:08:56

I think they missed off the L as in LAMEinfo
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