i think people count out people to easily

by **Pops** » Mon 22 May 2006, 17:05:08

I agree with you that many here do discount people's ability to adapt and your point about our collective elitism (on this site) I think reflects that.

But at the risk of committing the big mistake in investing (I am not an investor, I just read it somewhere) I’ll say; this time it will be different.

The difference is that all the points in history you cite are on the upslope of oil production; i.e.; we were going from the hard life to the easy life with the aid of the easiest energy ever found - but now we are more dependent than ever on the JIT system fuelled by that energy.

This time it may be different – we're goin' ninety miles an hour down a dead end road.

by **emersonbiggins** » Mon 22 May 2006, 17:06:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beefstuinit', '
')you treat poor minorities like they're a mongol horde in the making.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 22 May 2006, 17:15:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', ' ')
This time it may be different – we're goin' ninety miles an hour down a dead end road.

by **Pops** » Mon 22 May 2006, 17:24:31

Or to put it a different way:

All of a sudden a rod started knockin';
Down in the depths she started a rockin'.
I looked in the mirror and a red light was blinkin';
Hubbert was after my Hot Rod Lincoln.

-- Apologies to Charlie Ryan

by **dissimulo** » Mon 22 May 2006, 17:30:49

Let's not forget that man is the most effective predator ever to walk the earth. If you take a lion or a tiger and put it in a cage, it might act like a pet and it might get fat living the easy life. If you don't feed it for a few weeks, you can bet the keeper and then the smaller lions and tigers will be on the menu.

Today, there are about 6.5 billion super-predators living in various degrees of domestication. I, for one, would prefer they stay that way.

by **PrairieMule** » Mon 22 May 2006, 17:42:06

Beef-

Stick around for a while and you'll see folks here are not really all about gun nuts or radical eco-freaks. It's the whole picture. I can vouch for EB, Pops and PMS, and to many of the others to name-they are not elitist, they are part of the solution.. May be a jury rigged solution but it's the best I have found so far. I don't think anyone here takes pleasure in the possibility of being "Right". I for example am pretty much all about bullshitting. I'm not talking about lying, I'm talking about being in a state of mind where almost everything in a twisted way. Half my posts are serious and the other half are well...

BTW I got a funny story for you.

Sunday Morning I had a cat burglar in my bedroom. No kidding.

Around 5am I woke up to the noise of what sounded like someone disconnecting the cables to my TV set. I just sat there and listened for a minute. I reached over and took a tactile head count of my wife and 2 daughters laying to my left. I slipped out of bed and creeped to top shelf of my closet, then cranked a round in my 9mm and flipped on the lights.

I surprised the "cat burglar" with the lights and came face to face with my daughthers @#!*king cat Jasmine who was playing around and chewing the TV cables.

Anyways, welcome to the nuthouse..

by **beefstuinit** » Mon 22 May 2006, 17:43:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissimulo', 'L')et's not forget that man is the most effective predator ever to walk the earth. If you take a lion or a tiger and put it in a cage, it might act like a pet and it might get fat living the easy life. If you don't feed it for a few weeks, you can bet the keeper and then the smaller lions and tigers will be on the menu.

Today, there are about 6.5 billion super-predators living in various degrees of domestication. I, for one, would prefer they stay that way.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 22 May 2006, 17:43:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissimulo', '.')
Today, there are about 6.5 billion super-predators living in various degrees of domestication. I, for one, would prefer they stay that way.

by **beefstuinit** » Mon 22 May 2006, 17:46:18

i think we're all preaching to the same quior here.

i just have have a somewhat less apocalyptic image of post peak scenarios, the end result is similar however.

hardship and suffering vs riots and bloodbaths

i agree with most of your concepts, just not to the extremes many have been taken.

by **oowolf** » Mon 22 May 2006, 17:49:48

Read this book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/039332 ... e&n=283155

When a crisis occurs, 80% of people will either freeze up or run around like headless chickens. It's called "reactive psychosis" or the inability to comprehend the fact that reality has changed-old patterns of behavior no longer apply. Many of these threads here are concerned with potential new realities and what constitutes a proper response. It's better to comtemplate a potential crisis BEFORE it occurs. Then when TSHTF you can survive by keeping your head while others lose theirs--and their lives.

Many will simply curl up and die. Just a couple of months ago a 51 year old woman and her 15 year old son (from Minnesota) made a wrong turn-in a rented 4x4 SUV onto a forest service road that led to a pass blocked by 6 feet of wet snow. They got stuck, then got out of the vehicle (which was equipped with a GPS system) and continued walking UPHILL into deeper and deeper snow-apparently trying to make a good cell phone connection. There was a ranch just a mile BACK DOWN the road. But they walked until they died of hypothermia. There was food in the SUV and 3/4 tank of gas. And yet these two people couldn't figure how to act rationally. This country is full of people this stupid--and they will go quickly, believe me.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 22 May 2006, 17:52:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beefstuinit', 'i')
i agree with most of your concepts, just not to the extremes many have been taken.

by **PrairieMule** » Mon 22 May 2006, 17:55:46

I have read the book Oowolf mentioned and it's a good nuts an bolts approach to the subject. I'd recomend Trailsafe:avoiding and averting threating human behavior by Michael Bane.

by **oowolf** » Mon 22 May 2006, 17:55:59

Q: Should the 51 year old woman receive on of these:
http://www.darwinawards.com/

by **anneliese-nyc** » Sat 27 May 2006, 19:00:46

Whatever happens it is sure to be interesting............to the children born to survivors .

by **TheTurtle** » Sat 27 May 2006, 20:02:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oowolf', 'R')ead this book

When a crisis occurs, 80% of people will either freeze up or run around like headless chickens. It's called "reactive psychosis" or the inability to comprehend the fact that reality has changed-old patterns of behavior no longer apply. Many of these threads here are concerned with potential new realities and what constitutes a proper response. It's better to comtemplate a potential crisis BEFORE it occurs. Then when TSHTF you can survive by keeping your head while others lose theirs--and their lives.

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