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Re: Pentagon plane crash video released!?

Unread postby Armageddon » Wed 17 May 2006, 16:03:17

very good analysis. And I agree about norad. It was a deliberate attempt to let 911 happen. Thpse planes would have been shot down in a matter of minutes, if not seconds.
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Pentagon and Peak Oil

Unread postby EnergyDigger » Thu 13 Jul 2006, 20:13:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ublished on Thursday, July 13, 2006 by Energy Bulletin

Pentagon and Peak Oil: A Military Literature Review
By Sohbet Karbuz

Until the recent oil price hikes and world wide discussions on the future of oil, Peak Oil was nearly absent in military publications. Now, things have changed. This article attempts at providing a US military literature review on Peak Oil and related issues.

http://www.energybulletin.net/newswire.php?id=18056
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Re: Pentagon and Peak Oil

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 13 Jul 2006, 21:34:54

Unlike politicians, soldiers (and sailors and airmen) come face to face with reality on a daily basis.
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Pentagon Using Onion Routing

Unread postby mattduke » Wed 18 Oct 2006, 21:09:58

You should be using it too. Onion routing encrypts and bounces your internet connection multiple times. That way, Google won't know who you are and record everything you ever search for, nor will your ISP be able to see where you are going. You must still be careful to either disable cookies altogether or delete them after each session. Flash has it's own cookie mechanism. Don't use it. The system does not trust itself, allowing for some fraction of the participating nodes to be infiltrated by the CIA without sacrificing anonymity. Participate by running your own node to reduce the fraction of the network that is infiltrated.

On Windows:

Install Firefox extension "SwitchProxy".
Install Privoxy and Tor package.

Yes, it slows it down.

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46126,00.html
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Re: Pentagon Using Onion Routing

Unread postby PolestaR » Wed 18 Oct 2006, 21:19:43

I know for a fact that TOR is monitored (it's related to the industry I am in but alas) through some nodes. Not all obviously. I use it on occasion.

The best thing would be to setup a group of people you trust and do it only among yourselves. Especially people in different countries. If anyone wants to join a group for this I will participate... given some screening.
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Re: Pentagon Using Onion Routing

Unread postby mattduke » Wed 18 Oct 2006, 21:41:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'I') know for a fact that TOR is monitored

There is no doubt in my mind that it is monitored. Its use self-identifies those who feel their traffic might be worth monitoring. It will provide reasonably good anonymity protection against individual websites like google however (delete those cookies!). But an adversary who can sniff just part of the path travelled between each non-infiltrated bounce will be able to reassemble your route and connect your source IP address with the final destination website, and, if you are not using HTTPS, they can record the unencrypted last-hop as your connection leaves the onion network.
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Re: Pentagon Using Onion Routing

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 19 Oct 2006, 01:40:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'T')here is no doubt in my mind that it is monitored. Its use self-identifies those who feel their traffic might be worth monitoring.


There's a term for that. It's called a honey pot or honey trap.
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Re: Pentagon Using Onion Routing

Unread postby evilmonkeyspanker » Thu 19 Oct 2006, 17:57:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'T')here is no doubt in my mind that it is monitored. Its use self-identifies those who feel their traffic might be worth monitoring.


There's a term for that. It's called a honey pot or honey trap.


My question to you all, is where the hell are you going that your afraid someone might trace you.

Who cares what the hell this government or anyone else wants to trace. Fuck them! It wouldn't matter anyway, Trust me, if they are tracing you (quite possible) They have already developed an algorithim that can tell where you are going and where you have been and where you will go in the future. Everything you can and will do for the rest of your life can be mathmatically simplified.

But, as I was saying, it doesn't matter. They can't do anything to you as long as you obey the law and keep your nose clean. (for the time being)
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Re: Pentagon Using Onion Routing

Unread postby Daculling » Thu 19 Oct 2006, 18:23:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilmonkeyspanker', '
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My question to you all, is where the hell are you going that your afraid someone might trace you.


Kiddy Porn... no really... check this out.

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We are being watched here. If the gov decides that we are a threat we can now be put away forever as enemy combatants. It's not what we consider wrong it's what they consider wrong that matters now. Look at the list of things they are looking at... looks a lot like activity of any group of people with a similar cause.

That being said... I don't use Tor, tried it but it just looked to much like a honey pot to me.
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Re: Pentagon Using Onion Routing

Unread postby PolestaR » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 02:09:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', 'K')iddy Porn... no really... check this out.

ArsTechnica

We are being watched here. If the gov decides that we are a threat we can now be put away forever as enemy combatants. It's not what we consider wrong it's what they consider wrong that matters now. Look at the list of things they are looking at... looks a lot like activity of any group of people with a similar cause.

That being said... I don't use Tor, tried it but it just looked to much like a honey pot to me.


I don't know for sure whether we are being "seriously" watched here or not. I do know some survival forums which are, but they are very similar to "terrorist" training camps because of the whole "power to the people" thing so of course the goventment/tptb want to keep an eye on it. The only way to talk seriously about these things isn't on an internet forum available for everyone to see. Doesn't really matter if you use TOR or not.. you're posts will be the thing which makes them want to "snoop" you. And unless you keep complete tabs on all you say.. a lot of information can be gleaned from your posts too.
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Re: Pentagon Using Onion Routing

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 02:44:01

I already know a lot of information can be gleamed by my posts. I'm not concerned. If anyone decides they want to put the lives of their men with guns in jeopardy, so be it. Otherwise, they'd do best to leave me and others who think as I do alone and there will never be a violent conflict. Their choice I suppose. Apprehending someone for what they say may be more important to some men with guns than their lives. If they want to risk becoming a martyr to the cause of 'law and order', nothing is stopping them. Yet there's more of us than them, and they know it. While each one killed may go unnoticed, the desire to see fascism itself come to an end will persist either indefinately or until it has finally died.


If the Pentagon wants to find you, it will. Understanding this, it makes sense to be prepared, does it not? If they attempt to swat you, a pesky spider that will not abate its incessant trapping and weaving which harms no one, make the attempt to bite them. If they're going to swat you regardless, you may as well put up a fight.
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Re: Pentagon Using Onion Routing

Unread postby PolestaR » Fri 20 Oct 2006, 14:53:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'I') already know a lot of information can be gleamed by my posts. I'm not concerned. If anyone decides they want to put the lives of their men with guns in jeopardy, so be it. Otherwise, they'd do best to leave me and others who think as I do alone and there will never be a violent conflict. Their choice I suppose. Apprehending someone for what they say may be more important to some men with guns than their lives. If they want to risk becoming a martyr to the cause of 'law and order', nothing is stopping them. Yet there's more of us than them, and they know it. While each one killed may go unnoticed, the desire to see fascism itself come to an end will persist either indefinately or until it has finally died.


If the Pentagon wants to find you, it will. Understanding this, it makes sense to be prepared, does it not? If they attempt to swat you, a pesky spider that will not abate its incessant trapping and weaving which harms no one, make the attempt to bite them. If they're going to swat you regardless, you may as well put up a fight.


Wow.. I bet the guys at WACO thought this too.. right before they got firebombed.. teargassed and shot at. I get your point though.. saying youre well armed and ready for them isn't something you should promote though.
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Pentagon to counter 'inaccurate' news

Unread postby sonikuu » Tue 31 Oct 2006, 18:57:31

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6100906.stm

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')entagon boosts 'media war' unit

The US defence department has set up a new unit to better promote its message across 24-hour rolling news outlets, and particularly on the internet.

The Pentagon said the move would boost its ability to counter "inaccurate" news stories and exploit new media.


The Pentagon apparently thinks that the internet is being too influenced by "US enemies" and that the Pentagon needs to "set the record straight". They also want to correct what they deem to be "inaccurate" news. It seems as though the internet is no longer safe.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')The unit would reportedly monitor media such as weblogs and would also employ "surrogates", or top politicians or lobbyists who could be interviewed on TV and radio shows.


If they plan on monitoring blogs, what's to stop them from monitoring this site?
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Re: Pentagon to counter 'inaccurate' news

Unread postby AgentR » Tue 31 Oct 2006, 19:03:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sonikuu', 'I')f they plan on monitoring blogs, what's to stop them from monitoring this site?


Both the US and Chinese militaries almost certainly track this blog amongst many others.

I doubt they really care much what we say as far as politics, but there are numerous posters around here who might be considered to be potential insurgents in the event of a national emergency. A few of whom seem to treat the internet blogs like they are a private, super-secret meeting ground to strategize.

Common human mistake... they feel the privacy of their bedroom or den from where they type, when in reality they are sitting in the middle of Times Square yelling with a megaphone.
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Re: Pentagon to counter 'inaccurate' news

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 31 Oct 2006, 19:19:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The Pentagon apparently thinks that the internet is being too influenced by "US enemies" and that the Pentagon needs to "set the record straight".


I thought they had already set the record "straight"... :roll:
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Re: Pentagon to counter 'inaccurate' news

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 31 Oct 2006, 19:29:50

There is no such thing as privacy which is exactly why such groups should do nothing illegal or pay the consequences.

The propaganda business is good.......
So agentr did you get a pay raise through all of this? ;-)

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Re: Pentagon to counter 'inaccurate' news

Unread postby MattSavinar » Tue 31 Oct 2006, 19:47:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sonikuu', 'I')f they plan on monitoring blogs, what's to stop them from monitoring this site?


Both the US and Chinese militaries almost certainly track this blog amongst many others.

I doubt they really care much what we say as far as politics, but there are numerous posters around here who might be considered to be potential insurgents in the event of a national emergency. A few of whom seem to treat the internet blogs like they are a private, super-secret meeting ground to strategize.



I've deleted these type of posts from the LATOC forum and have told the posters another post like that and they're kicked for good. I don't have the bowel/bladder control necessary to handle any knocks at the door from men in dark suits.
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Re: Pentagon to counter 'inaccurate' news

Unread postby AgentR » Tue 31 Oct 2006, 19:50:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'T')he propaganda business is good.......


Indeed.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o agentr did you get a pay raise through all of this?


I won't know till next spring. :-D

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')o you like your masters feel comfortable that this time you have successfully domesticated the species?


No domestication is required. As long as most of them are desperate to hold on to a house and car, its all good.
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Re: Pentagon to counter 'inaccurate' news

Unread postby KhanCEO » Tue 31 Oct 2006, 20:10:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sonikuu', 'I')f they plan on monitoring blogs, what's to stop them from monitoring this site?


Both the US and Chinese militaries almost certainly track this blog amongst many others.

I doubt they really care much what we say as far as politics, but there are numerous posters around here who might be considered to be potential insurgents in the event of a national emergency. A few of whom seem to treat the internet blogs like they are a private, super-secret meeting ground to strategize.

Common human mistake... they feel the privacy of their bedroom or den from where they type, when in reality they are sitting in the middle of Times Square yelling with a megaphone.


Anyone know what it takes to get on "The List". I've written not so nice things about the government in general but I'm no insurgent. I would hate for them to "take me away" for some healthly criticism.
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