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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby 12amps » Mon 15 May 2006, 09:50:52

anyone think america is going instigate a border issue and start a conflict on purpose in order to rob mexico's oil? I mean they did it with the Texas border issue back in the day and got all the WEST as a result. Maybe the EVIL US is thinking it can pull it off again?
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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 15 May 2006, 10:30:15

I see no mention of a crackdown on companies that employ illegals.
This would negate the need for troops amassed along the border, and allow the illegals to deport themselves. The effectiveness at which this would deport the 12 million or so illegals far outweighs using military force to keep new ones from arriving.
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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby dub_scratch » Mon 15 May 2006, 10:59:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'I') see no mention of a crackdown on companies that employ illegals.
This would negate the need for troops amassed along the border, and allow the illegals to deport themselves.


I disagree. Illegals are indeed good for the economy, but we need diversity in illegals (some from Asia, South America, East Europe, India, etc.). The problem is flooding the nation with illegals that all come from the same country-- in this case Mexico. Here in So Cal, they are taking over the place with population. This is becoming a territorial dispute, which definitely is a job for the U.S. military. It is sad to see the focus over in Iraq-- a country not in position of attacking or invading our nation. This in contrast is a far better roll for the military.
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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 15 May 2006, 11:18:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dub_scratch', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'I') see no mention of a crackdown on companies that employ illegals.
This would negate the need for troops amassed along the border, and allow the illegals to deport themselves.


I disagree. Illegals are indeed good for the economy, but we need diversity in illegals.


Sure, illegals are good for the bottom lines of the industries that knowingly, *ahem* "unknowingly," employ them. Personally, I would love to see the construction costs of new sprawl boxes and waferboard houses spiral up 200% overnight by eliminating the illegal labor pools. It would certainly stem the further onslaught of sprawl, and abet the effects that $70 oil is taking on exurban development. IMHO, of course.

I don't necessarily care about securing the borders for fear of another 9/11, or other fearmongering rhetoric (didn't those hijackers come via Canada?), but I do care about entire communities being depressed by massive influxes of illegal labor, largely homogenous (as you put it).
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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby grabby » Mon 15 May 2006, 11:24:16

I agree, I think 5 yars ago was one UNLUCKY SHOT and it can't happen again, they weren't even watching, but the fear play is enourmous, they want to take all our freedoms and take our cash and want to know our every position on our cell phones and listen in on everything, howd we let this happen?
time to get someone who will watch out for us better.

the kadi guys are too stupid to ever get that unlucky again.
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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 15 May 2006, 11:40:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('12amps', 'a')nyone think america is going instigate a border issue and start a conflict on purpose in order to rob mexico's oil? I mean they did it with the Texas border issue back in the day and got all the WEST as a result. Maybe the EVIL US is thinking it can pull it off again?


Dont be an idiot.
We had the justification to move long ago, back when the Mexican military was shooting at us. Or when the Mexican military was crossing the border and stealing from American citizens.

That said, I'd hate to see the ROE for any military on the border. Thats gonna be an absolute nightmare.
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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 15 May 2006, 11:41:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'I') see no mention of a crackdown on companies that employ illegals.
This would negate the need for troops amassed along the border, and allow the illegals to deport themselves. The effectiveness at which this would deport the 12 million or so illegals far outweighs using military force to keep new ones from arriving.


And that really is the easiest solution. Have massive fines for employing illegals and that should pretty well solve the problem.
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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby chitowncarl » Mon 15 May 2006, 11:56:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('12amps', 'a')nyone think america is going instigate a border issue and start a conflict on purpose in order to rob mexico's oil? I mean they did it with the Texas border issue back in the day and got all the WEST as a result. Maybe the EVIL US is thinking it can pull it off again?


One symptom of peak oil is economic destabilization. I see very little political upside for Bush in this move, even with conservatives. Could it be that Bush has been advised that the Mexican economy is close to destabilization and eventual collapse so he has decided to begin the process of really reinforcing our border?
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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby RdSnt » Mon 15 May 2006, 12:03:14

I think you need to look at this from a different perspective.
What if this is a ploy to beef up the border to prevent Americans from bailing and fleeing the country?
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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby holmes » Mon 15 May 2006, 12:04:48

Yeah they good for the economy... The PONZI economy that is. Devoid of skill, quality and pride.
Excellent for a fast food, low IQ, mass processed/produced, soulless, shoddy shit hole.

Cut the Ponzi and all its dependents off. Cut the "drug" dealers off.
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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby musselj » Mon 15 May 2006, 12:37:39

I think RDSNT has got it right! When you play chess you usually move you pieces into position before you make you move!
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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Mon 15 May 2006, 13:17:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RdSnt', 'I') think you need to look at this from a different perspective.
What if this is a ploy to beef up the border to prevent Americans from bailing and fleeing the country?
Life is going to get pretty desperate in the land of the free.


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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby pilferage » Mon 15 May 2006, 13:40:07

Hmmm... I wonder if this is so we can "offer" citizenship and armed forces service to any illegal immigrants we "catch" compared to deportation? Talk about a great way to bolster the numbers without an official draft.
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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby 12amps » Mon 15 May 2006, 13:45:51

I think the Mexicans who want to come to America so badly right now have no idea that in 20 years they will be like the slaves of rome.
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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby Ancien_Opus » Mon 15 May 2006, 14:27:24

The writing is on the wall. Cantarell is entering decline. Mexico has been an oil exporter for many years. With an enormous population and huge drop in oil cash flow that serves up a major recipe for trouble south of the border.

Election year politics may be at play here as well.
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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby formandfile » Mon 15 May 2006, 17:33:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RdSnt', 'I') think you need to look at this from a different perspective.
What if this is a ploy to beef up the border to prevent Americans from bailing and fleeing the country?
Life is going to get pretty desperate in the land of the free.


If thats the case then the guard should be deployed to the north, not the south....if i were going to bail i would bail to someplace with public drinking water that doesnt automatically give you a stomach virus.
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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby Lighthouse » Mon 15 May 2006, 19:58:07

Bush read a history book and found out about "Manifest Destiny".

No, no, no, let me start again. One of Bush's neocon aids read a history book and suggested "Manifest Destiny" is a concept worth considering.

No that does not work either. Let em start again. Maybe one of Bush's mates accidentally switched on the history channel (in an ad break of a baseball game!) and found out about "Manifest Destiny"

Now I got it! The CIA and the NSA told Bush in a very secret national security briefing they have conclusive evidence that the Mexicans want the border like it was before 1846 and "Manifest Destiny" was not such a bad concept either ... after all ...
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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby jaws » Mon 15 May 2006, 20:06:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('12amps', 'I') think the Mexicans who want to come to America so badly right now have no idea that in 20 years they will be like the slaves of rome.

The slaves of Rome eventually sacked Rome.
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Re: US sending troops to Mexican border

Unread postby Lighthouse » Mon 15 May 2006, 20:21:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jaws', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('12amps', 'I') think the Mexicans who want to come to America so badly right now have no idea that in 20 years they will be like the slaves of rome.

The slaves of Rome eventually sacked Rome.


Exactly, empires do not fall over night. Lets have a closer look:

The western part of the Roman empire (including Rome) had not been self sufficient for a long time as far as food and money. Most of that came from the East. A lot of grain came from Egypt and other riches came from there and other eastern trading posts. Later emperors started to split the empire and Constantine actually moved the capital to Constantinople (aka Byzantium, Nea Roma, or Istanbul depending on date). Constantine also split the empire among his sons as did Theodosius (this second split was permanent).

Essentially, the focus of the empire was shifted eastward and Rome and the west were cut off from the riches they had relied on. Rome did not have the resources then to support its people and defend against barbarian invasions.

It is true that the immediate cause of the fall of the Roman Empire was caused by barbaric invasions, but the main cause was the internal collapse of the empire. The many internal problems that the Romans faced; the empires large size and an inefficient government, lack of old Roman virtues and a new attitude that the empire was not worth saving, and the fact that the Roman army was filled with hired Germanic soldiers.

And look what happened to the British empire which was literally dissolved after WWII...
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Troops on the Border Just the Beginning

Unread postby evilgenius » Tue 16 May 2006, 00:51:15

What Bush is going to succeed at is pushing the Mexicans up against the wall. Will this result in an act of terrorism either against the National Guard troops or against US civilians? Will this act be perpetrated by Mexican nationalists or by CIA operatives under the auspices of general Hayden?

Nevermind those questions. The question that is really germain is what will happen next? As if the new bankruptcy law wasn't enough. As if the domestic spying wasn't enough. Then there will be thousands of supped up super patriotic (they will believe they are right) troops running around putting out whatever fires real or imagined that they are told to.
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