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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby Peak_Plus » Sun 07 May 2006, 16:51:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', ' ')- either it's a ‘none event’, which it is so far -
Of <i>course</i> it's been a non event til now, cause it hasn't happened yet. Unless you say 2005 was peak, which we aren't sure of yet. Looks pretty suspicious, though.

Don't confuse price with availability (Like JD always did).

At any rate, we can talk again once production has dropped 10% and ask if it has been a non-event.

Or unless you consider consumer #1's (USA's) peak event in 1971. Would you like to relive the 1970s and early '80s standing in line for gasoline again? This is only a SHIMMER of what's going to happen this time around.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby Peak_Plus » Sun 07 May 2006, 16:52:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', 'I') have a feeling that Lorenzo might give people even more run for there money too.
he's given me the runs :-D

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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby Peak_Plus » Sun 07 May 2006, 16:54:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'I') win.
:)

Not so fast there, buddy. :twisted: http://www.brightgreenfuture.com will be online soon.

The sooner, the better. Sometimes outsourcing does wonders.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby MacG » Sun 07 May 2006, 17:39:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'I') win.

:)


Chineese proverb:

If you just have the patience to sit down and watch the river, you will sooner or later see the bodies of all your enemies come floating
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby sameu » Sun 07 May 2006, 18:16:30

I must say, I think JD delivered some good work. I think it's very important to always check out both sides of the debate.
Therefor I find it rather lame he's quitting.
Kinda reminds me of that Simpsons episode when Marge pulls the plug on a boxing video game (just at the very moment when Homer is going to win the game for once) and Bart announces his retreat from video boxing and proclaims his undefeated champion status.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby toadster » Sun 07 May 2006, 18:57:52

What the heck are you people talking about!? Did you even read JD's last post? He is saying that he will quit posting because he thinks peak oil is a NON-EVENT. I think he's right.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby Zardoz » Sun 07 May 2006, 19:06:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('toadster', '.')..he thinks peak oil is a NON-EVENT. I think he's right too.


So this planet is just a big ball of oil with a dirt and rock shell around it? The supply is, for all intents and purposes, infinite, and we'll always be able to pump as much out of the oil ball as we want?

I mean, it must be like that for the failure of supply to meet demand to be a NON-EVENT, right?
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby Novus » Sun 07 May 2006, 19:10:35

By closing his blog he is admitting that he has no rational arguements to back up his claims. He has reached a point of burnout where he is unable to defend his positions any longer. His whole blog was just one excuse after another moving from one from topic to next that overall missed the big picture of resource depletion. He simply ran out of excuses and was back to square one with no solution in sight.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby seahorse » Sun 07 May 2006, 20:20:48

JD never answered questions, only asked them, but not to truly learn anything, he asked just to be an ass.

For example, he never did answer the question why the US invaded Iraq. He will try and shoot down reasons people give, but he refused to offer an explanation. Typical.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby Golgo13 » Sun 07 May 2006, 20:30:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('toadster', 'W')hat the heck are you people talking about!? Did you even read JD's last post? He is saying that he will quit posting because he thinks peak oil is a NON-EVENT. I think he's right.


You might be right. The "peak" itself could very well be a non-event because we won't even know or see it untill we've passed it.

However it's not the peak itself that has people woried, rather, it's the decline that inevitably follows afterwards.

So I don't think it's controversial to say that the "peak" will be a non-event.

The decline, however, is another story.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby killJOY » Sun 07 May 2006, 20:30:31

Peak Oil will continue to be a $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ON-EVENT
until it isn't.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby dub_scratch » Sun 07 May 2006, 20:45:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'B')y closing his blog he is admitting that he has no rational arguements to back up his claims. He has reached a point of burnout where he is unable to defend his positions any longer.


Come on Novus. It is really lame for you to declare his retreat as some kind of validation of your ideas. If you read his latest post you will find he closed his blog because he feels accomplished all the debunking needed to let the matter rest. He feels that Peak Oil is a non event, not worthy of even debating anymore. I personally don't agree with that, but I do admire someone how loudly states their opinion and then shuts-up in confidence that his point was made and heard.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby sameu » Sun 07 May 2006, 20:50:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'P')eak Oil will continue to be a $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ON-EVENT
until it isn't.


just like when the states peaked
the fact that americans are now addicted to foreign oil with all the consequences, isn't
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby Lighthouse » Sun 07 May 2006, 21:01:41

JD was right with one statement in his blog:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JD', '
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My response: No, sorry, I'm tired of waiting. I'll be doing something more constructive with my time than playing we're-going-to-collapse/no-we-won't/yes-we-will with peak oil burnouts and neurotics. I'll start worrying when something worth worrying about actually happens.



Which is now. Maybe he is buying some land and is taking up some permaculture courses? That would be something constructive :roll:
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby Ayoob » Sun 07 May 2006, 21:11:11

Jay Hanson walked away from a Certain Site as well... doesn't mean he's wrong.

You guys.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby Novus » Sun 07 May 2006, 21:12:28

Hey a retreat is a retreat. He opened his blog to debunk PO and he failed. He came up with no new ideas himself and posted a bunch of old ideas that had already been disprooved as viable alternatives to oil. His last post might of well been his first. As said before, he was part of trend, not a trend maker. Everyone starts off as PO skeptics.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby kochevnik » Sun 07 May 2006, 22:20:56

:!:

When JD started out, the average citizen would have agreed with him wholeheartedly. Now, with gasoline approaching $4 and oil soon to pop over $80, the whole world sits on the edge of their seats waiting to see which one of two fanatic religious wackos leaders blinks first or if perhaps we just just escalate right into WWIII without more than 5 minutes of advance warning.

So, at this particular point in history, JD decides to let us all know, in his infinite wisdom, that PO is a farce and a non-event and he's not going to waste any more time on it.

Talk about bad timing, I don't think anyone's been this spectacularly idiotic since Irving Fisher in the fall of 1929.

Do you think that someone with JD's personality flaws would, for one second, give up the chance to stick it to us doomers with another million 'I told you so's' if he was truly convinced he was right ?

You people need to take some basic psych courses. You understand nothing about what makes people tick.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby PolestaR » Sun 07 May 2006, 22:25:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kochevnik', ':')!:

When JD started out, the average citizen would have agreed with him wholeheartedly. Now, with gasoline approaching $4 and oil soon to pop over $80, the whole world sits on the edge of their seats waiting to see which one of two fanatic religious wackos leaders blinks first or if perhaps we just just escalate right into WWIII without more than 5 minutes of advance warning.

So, at this particular point in history, JD decides to let us all know, in his infinite wisdom, that PO is a farce and a non-event and he's not going to waste any more time on it.

Wow :!: Talk about bad timing.

I don't think anyone's been this spectacularly idiotic since Irving Fisher in the fall of 1929.

Do you think that someone with JD's personality flaws would, for one second, give up the chance to stick it to us doomers with another million 'I told you so's' if he was truly convinced he was right ?

You people need to take some basic psych courses. You understand nothing about what makes people tick.


Good points. In the last 2 months people who I spoke to about global issues a year or 2 earlier are coming to me for "guidance" like I know what is going to happen. These same people scoffed earlier at the same thoughts they are believing now, so it is definitely starting to change the "average" person I think. Just means consumer spending and whatnot is most likely to decrease in the short term.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby Jack » Sun 07 May 2006, 23:06:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'E')njoy the victory while you still can for this is no victory. I would have much rather had our side debunked. Now society will decend into an uncertain future of crisis and eventual collapse. In time we may regret with sorrow the day we mocked the cornucopians in their defeat.

So the answer is, yes we all lose.


Solve et Coagula, Novus.

Patterns, societies, and civilizations dissolve and new things take their place. Our present society is sclerotic; our common passion is to consume more.

Though neither you nor I will see it, perhaps something better will be born. In the meantime, upcoming events are sure to be exciting. I've always hand a fondness for fireworks. 8)
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