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Gun Engine Explodes Fuel Efficiency

Unread postby Graeme » Wed 03 May 2006, 02:58:55

Gun Engine Explodes Fuel Efficiency

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y gun-engine has many things in common with a traditional engine, (induction and exhaust evacuation valves, crankshaft, etc.) yet it is different since it explodes fuel; traditional engines cannot withstand the explosions. The key point of difference is that the explosions of fuel vapor pre-mixed with air (homogeneous fuel) do not act on the primary piston that produces work, but rather on an additional piston that floats on a compressible air pocket. This arrangement introduces certain delaying of pressure building over the primary piston that produces work. This provides the important opportunity to improve torque up to 70 to 90 times without fuel consumption increase.

Also, the arrangement changed torque vs. Speed, and power vs. speed characteristics. The torque is independent of speed, and power is in proportion to speed, which eliminates the need to use transmission or reduction gears. In addition, this new arrangement eliminates the need for advancing the ignition, which is responsible for related parasitic torque in every traditional engine. Therefore the arrangement also allows development of transmission-free gadgetry such as cars and trucks.


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Re: Gun Engine Explodes Fuel Efficiency

Unread postby Curmudgicus » Wed 03 May 2006, 08:40:59

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Trying to use detonation instead of deflagration is something that jet engine manufacturers are working on right now. I hadn't heard that anyone was doing the same for automotive engines.

I can't really find much on it by googling. Do you have a web address that discusses the prototype?
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Re: Gun Engine Explodes Fuel Efficiency

Unread postby EnergyHog » Wed 03 May 2006, 09:13:23

Sounds like the only way we'll know if this thing works is if this inventor "mysteriously" disappears.
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Re: Gun Engine Explodes Fuel Efficiency

Unread postby Frank » Wed 03 May 2006, 22:30:56

Why hasn't he built one?
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Re: Gun Engine Explodes Fuel Efficiency

Unread postby Aimrehtopyh » Wed 03 May 2006, 23:11:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Frank', 'W')hy hasn't he built one?


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Re: Gun Engine Explodes Fuel Efficiency

Unread postby pilferage » Thu 04 May 2006, 01:05:43

Ditto. Heck, there are plenty of able machinists who'd love to put together a prototype.
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Re: Gun Engine Explodes Fuel Efficiency

Unread postby MyOtherID » Thu 04 May 2006, 01:31:41

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Re: Gun Engine Explodes Fuel Efficiency

Unread postby gg3 » Thu 04 May 2006, 08:28:42

This is one of the few Wild Ideas I've seen recently that actually seems promising. And it's all straight-up Newtonian physics, so it should be possible to build a prototype to the designer's specs.

This guy has apparently been talking with big companies that want exclusive worldwide rights, which he's not willing to give away. The best approach would be to get smaller companies into the picture, companies that will only gain if they have licenses for the technology, even if not exclusive. One way to do this might be to segment it by market and by geography. This is where a good attorney can make all the difference: negotiations, terms, etc.

Something to keep an eye on...
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Re: Gun Engine Explodes Fuel Efficiency

Unread postby DR_STU » Thu 04 May 2006, 10:05:30

The inventor wrote a short paper that explains some of the calculations related to the theoretical gain in efficiency. Although not a principle component to use of his engine, he suggests that a transmission is not necessary because torque is less dependent on speed. This may be true, but the need for a transmission would also depend on the operating rpm range for the engine relative to the range you need at the wheels.

An interesting concept though.
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Re: Gun Engine Explodes Fuel Efficiency

Unread postby willjones4 » Thu 04 May 2006, 10:59:24

If this is true (and it appears it may be), and if the corps will let him maintain control some sort of way and they can get this going within say 5 years, how much would it help?
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Re: Gun Engine Explodes Fuel Efficiency

Unread postby gg3 » Fri 05 May 2006, 05:55:35

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Re: Gun Engine Explodes Fuel Efficiency

Unread postby Frank » Fri 05 May 2006, 13:01:00

Sorry folks, his "paper" is loaded with errors, everything from transmission efficiency to diesel compression ratio to his understanding of conventional spark-ignition engines. Just how does he intend to make gasoline or any other fuel burn quicker than it does already??? He makes assumptions about things then uses those assumptions to "prove" that traditional engines are lousy by design and that his design is superior.

My earlier comment about building one didn't mean that he had to personally construct an engine - just that it might improve his bargaining power if he could somehow demonstrate the effectiveness of his design.

I've been wrong before ( :P ) - and wouldn't mind being proven wrong again. But I doubt we'll ever see anything develop from this idea.
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Re: Gun Engine Explodes Fuel Efficiency

Unread postby OilsNotWell » Fri 05 May 2006, 14:10:55

I was intrigued by this, so I did a little research.

Apparently, he states that he HAS built a prototype, but that it was destroyed due to the tremendous torque.

And, in reading through some statements by him, I noticed one GLARING misunderstanding by him:

That he is worried we will 'use up' all the hydrogen in the world like we are doing for fossil fuels, of course failing to understand the basic tenet that hydrogen exists in many states, natural and otherwise, and we could not ever conceivably ever 'run out' of hydrogen in the known universe. Also, he fails to understand that hydrogen is an energy carrier, not an energy source.

It looks like he maintains a 'wiki' page, and has contact info in case anyone is interested...

See these links:

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PESN Gun Engine Interview

Gun Engine Explodes Fuel Efficiency
Bon Kulman interviews Kazimierz Holubowicz, inventor of the gun engine, which was designed with the objective of increasing engine efficiency from 20% to much more than that.

by Bon Kulman
for Pure Energy Systems News


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PES Wiki

Directory:Gun Engine

Table of contents [showhide]
1 About

1.1 Official Website
1.2 Patent
1.3 Papers
1.4 Prototype
1.5 Awards
1.6 NEC Reviews
1.6.1 A fossil fuel engine that is worth some attention
1.7 In the News
1.8 Comments
1.8.1 Bourke Engine Also a 'Gun Engine'
1.8.2 Similar to pulse detonation engine
1.9 Contact
2 See also


Both of those links are very informative for those interested in the details of his idea, and for links for further reading.

For those who think this is a 'detonation' engine, it really isn't in the sense I think some mean it. A more accurate analogy would be a 'gun barrel' engine in which the fuel explodes and the heat energy is allowed more fully to transfer to mechanical energy by the use of an alternative 'cylinder' which THEN transfers compression to traditional piston and crankshaft...

The idea IS very intriguing and worth further looks however.
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Re: Gun Engine Explodes Fuel Efficiency

Unread postby Daculling » Fri 05 May 2006, 14:29:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilsNotWell', '
')For those who think this is a 'detonation' engine, it really isn't in the sense I think some mean it. A more accurate analogy would be a 'gun barrel' engine in which the fuel explodes and the heat energy is allowed more fully to transfer to mechanical energy by the use of an alternative 'cylinder'


So he just invented the semiautomatic rifle.
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Re: Gun Engine Explodes Fuel Efficiency

Unread postby truecougarblue » Fri 05 May 2006, 15:45:17

FWIW I think Frank is right. Unless this thing is running on hydrogen in liquid or slush state or maybe nitroglycerin you are not going to be able to create additional explosive force.

There is only a certain amount of energy available in any fuel by the pound, anyone who claims greater efficiency can only prove said claims on a dynamometer, anyone who claims more work/gallon than the said fuel contains in BTU is fooling himself.
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Re: Gun Engine Explodes Fuel Efficiency

Unread postby eric_b » Fri 05 May 2006, 16:14:15

After skimming this article I find myself agreeing with the skeptics.

How is this 'gun' engine any different than an normal IC engine -
which is essentially a gun design to explode a piston in a cyclinder.
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