[bochen787]

Would people still complain?

The world is not perfect for two reasons only. And these are two very simple reasons.

1) The first is the inherent nature of life

2) The second is the finiteness of resources

From this all other problems, pains, frustrations, evils, hatred, and everything bad derives.

Let me explain the problem with the inherent nature of life. The problems of society are a reflection of the problems of the individuals within the society. The needs and wants and each person is aggregated and cumulated and on a societal level it manifest itself into symptoms such as wars, usurping, immigration… etc.

The problems of each man are a reflection of the problems of the individual cells within his body. His basic needs of water, food, shelter, rest, and elimination of waste, are the same basic needs of his individual cells. A cell by itself needs very little water, nutrients, and the waste it produces is almost insignificant. However the accumulation and aggregation of all the billions of cells together that make up the body become more than the sum of its parts. It is called POOP. Now, granted a single individual who poops doesn’t do much to the environment and really isn’t much a big deal. However take 300 million individuals, or 1.5 billion in China’s case, and you got yourself a need for elaborate sewer, plumbing, waste disposal, ie the complexity is multiply by the same factor as population. 300 million gas guzzling Americans will have to look to the Middle East for their individual and yet so collective needs. What is EVIL? EVIL isn’t a country,
EVIL isn’t even a person, EVIL is a force, it is the very force of life itself.

If Bush really wants intimate knowledge of EVIL, he should study amino acid chains, the basic building blocks of life.

Second is the finiteness of resources. The universe itself can be considered as infinite for this purpose. However we are strapped to planet earth. And so earth becomes our ‘domain’. In this earthly realm resources have soon to be very finite indeed. The more people, the more compounded and complex the troubles and problems become.



So now imagine. A world/existence in which every single person each had their OWN ‘earth’ to play with. That is limitless freedom. Even in America, your individual freedom ends at the arms length of another. No nation can resolve this paradox of freedom.

But if each human got his own ‘planet’ then that would of course solve the problem.

Imagine if humans never had to eat (I know this makes no sense and goes against the essence of ‘life’ but just imagine) One could eat for pleasure, but one didn’t HAVE to eat. One is not under the control of one’s desire to eat, and not enslaved to the physical body cells need for nutrients and energy.

Imagine if one didn’t have to drink, sleep, rest, work, think, poop, or do anything for that matter. Again one COULD have the option of doing these things, but never forced to by the body itself, and there is a cap limit to the threshold of each of these urges of satisfying the basic necessity of life. And one could simply turn this desire on and off at will.

A world with no pain, with no sorrow, no regret, no disappointment, no disillusion,
A world with no past, no future, just an infinite eternal now.

Timeless and perfect.

Where each person is totally beautiful, inside and out. Where everyone lived in their own respective ‘paradise’ and never known what was a four letter word called ‘evil’.

A world of peace and tranquility, a world where you are the only soul to exist, no conflict of interest, no compromise no negotiation, no bitching who is right or who is wrong. When you are the only one, there is no right or wrong.


Everything is perfect.

[Bobbotov]

>What is EVIL? EVIL isn’t a country,
EVIL isn’t even a person, EVIL is a force, it is the very force of life itself.

Where does evil exist without people? Is the moon evil, my dog, a tree or a rock? Is nature evil, or the universe itself? Without people evil does not even have a name much less an existence. The very force of life itself is not evil otherwise ALL of life is evil in every manifestation. Are viruses evil? Insects, paramecium, sponges, turtles?

Evil is based on one thing - arrogance. Bush is arrogant and so is Osama. Hitler was arrogant and Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Pinochet, Ceaucescu, and so many others. All of these people manifest evil through their arrogance coupled with socio- and psychopathology.

[NEOPO]

Wikipedia - "Theosophy" Entry

and of course

Blavatsky.net

Todays quote
"In our case the One Being is the noumenon of all the noumena which we know must underlie phenomena, and give them whatever shadow of reality they possess, but which we have not the senses or the intellect to cognize at present. ... Alone the Iniitate, rich in the lore acquired by numberless generations of his predecessors, directs the "Eye of Dangma" toward the essence of things in which no Maya can have any influence. — Secret Doctrine Vol I page 45."

[bochen787]

In that perfect existence I talked about above, one of the major things will be the abundance of genuine everlasting love.

But since you are the only person, it will of course be self-love.
What is love?

What real is love? We all know it is an adaptation advantage of life. The purpose of life is more life. That is of course very self referential, like infinite regression or never ending recursive loops, what then is the purpose of LIFE itself? The best answer I can come up with: it just is.


Okay, but subjectively what is ‘love’? What really is it? It’s silly to define subjective love as a chemical reaction in the brain, not because it isn’t, but because then one would have to indeed define everything as simply just another ‘chemical reaction’. Subjective existence (there is no such things as objective existence if you stop to think about it)
Itself would be nothing more than another ‘chemical reaction’, and so would the definition of the word ‘definition.’ 'It’s akin to saying 1=1. Duh!

So what is love? Is it simply the opposite of EVIL? Well, if EVIL is simply the force of life (in my above post) then isn’t LOVE simply the nonexistence of life? Love would be non-being, not doing, not existing. Well in that case, Love prevails over EVIL because Love is the infinite-nothingness of everything that isn’t and wasn’t, but Evil is always finite because it must exist to be. In that sense, Love encompasses evil, and not the other way around. Its just that mans comprehension and understand of love is skewed.

For example, when you say you love someone. What do you mean by that? Most people love the feelings of love that that person brings to them. So in essence, you love love itself. This is why I think the vast majority of people are hypocritical. They claim to love someone (who hasn’t) but they seldom know who they really are as a person, they do not really know the person who they claim to love, and they only love the elations of joy of love itself.

For most people love at best can only be conditionally unconditional. Otherwise you’d give your life to every homeless you meet on the streets. Conditionally unconditional, paradox? Oxymoron? What about TRUTH!

If you love someone, whether they be a parent, a child, a spouse, a friend, etc, I encourage you to think about what exactly do you ‘love’ about this person..
If you are like most people you will come off with a list of pleasant characteristics, personalities, attributes, values, morals, beliefs that this person has that you admire.
It might be intelligence, or good looks, or avarice, or any combination in between.

But you soon realize its not really the person you love, just the outer ward properties and manifestations that the person has presented to the world (and to you). You’ve touched the spokes of the wheel of love but missed the center hub. In essence, people are superficial (and I don’t mean it in the way its too often used) and they almost always fail to grasp the truth essence of what they are really after.

To me, love is a person. Not an emotion, not a certain set of parameters, criteria’s to be meet, it always has to be a real distinct individual, a person, in the words of Gunnery Sgt Hartmann, A human fucking being…


Love is and can only be a person. Love is not something directed toward a person, or something felt for a person, it is the person him/herself.

How many people in this world is truly lovely? I’ve never met a single person who is.

[bochen787]

The paradox of love.


When we like/love someone it is usually because we admire them in some way.
The love a mother has for her baby is not so much love as it is a primordial human bonding instinct, for survival of the species. The love a child has for his parents is not
Really love either. Anyone ‘forced’ upon anyone is not really love, for love must have the infinite freedom to choose. I’m not saying parents and their kids cannot genuinely love each other, but I am saying however that just because you are a parent do not expect your child to ‘love’ you if he/she does not naturally do so.

If you admire someone its usually because that someone has a trait or characteristic that you don’t have, and you would like to have for yourself. But here comes the paradox of love. You secretly wish that the person would acknowledge you or reciprocate your feelings. However, deep down you subconsciously know you are not worthy, (otherwise why in the hell would you be admiring someone below you??) so you don’t ‘really’ expect them to appreciate you. But when and if they do acknowledge, appreciate, or reciprocate you, then you suddenly lose interest because you realize they really aren’t ideal person you projected them to be. This is why when [needy] people get who they want they no longer what it.

In a nutshell, its impossible to love anyone or anything if you don’t already love yourself.
Its impossible to trust anyone or anything if you don’t already trust yourself.
And if you don’t completely trust yourself, you cannot really love yourself, and therefore you can neither trust nor love anyone else. (you may ‘think’ you can, but you really can’t)

It’s impossible to trust yourself if you don’t fully know yourself.


I’d say 99.999% of the people on earth don’t have a damn clue who they really are.

[bochen787]

For the billions of people in this world, I dare have the boldness to say
that only a small handful of people/couples truly love each other.

All the Chinese care about is study, save, scold your children.
All the Middle East people care about is allah, allah, allah
All the West cares about is cars, houses, sex toys.
All the Mexicans care about is a better living standard

Like I said, these things all address the outward spokes of life,
none come close to the center of life.

No one in this world is real anymore.

[bochen787]

One last thing. Perfection is an eqiliubrim, thats why no one is perfect.

people are too busy always doing shit. Graduate from high school, got to study, grades are important! SAT, ACT, get into a good college. In college, got to get my fucking degree, avarice is important, study, study, study, these four years set aside only for study, my life is not my own, i am a student, slave to the university, i must study or else all hell will brake lose, my financial future is on my own bare hands, where is that number 2 pencil??

After college, got to find a job, just gots to. Don't want to be homeless, got to find the highest paying job. After you find that stupid job, got to get a fucking promotion, a motherfucking raise, needs to cuase of inflation and rising avarice demands. Projects, deadlines, duedates, meetings, corporate politics, one after another, yes this is life must deal with it or starve on the streets like the useless homeless don't wnat to end up like them do I? no of course not!!

Got to save money for kids college expenses, got to save money for that retirement I am planning. Can't wait until retirment, coming some day soon. In the mean time get up and work everyday, work work work.
Its about the company, the bottomline, productivity, profits, growth, yes all about growth.


people give me a break. This is not life. You are slaves.

this forum is full of hypocrites and slaves.

[gego]

If I could get the same drug, then perhaps I could understand more completely what this thread is about.

I will say, that I agree that poop is the problem that is created by a species that operpopulates. No question, that crap is what will end us, just like the yeast which consume the sugars in a vat eventually die in their own excrement.

So, the food supply runs out, and we humans, floating in a sea of poop and no more food expire. I think perhaps the poop factor will be more an issue in geographic areas where the concentration of humans is an issue, but where poop is not a problem, the intake issue will be more magnified. If you live in the countryside, you can crap where you like with little consequence, but finding nutrition can be a bitch.

Intake, output are both huge problems in a human population level collapse, and that is really where many of you young turks are positioned. Too bad you have mostly been indoctrinated in the government owned or controlled education centers.

[Chaparral]

If everything was perfect, some people would still complain.

We could stumble across cold-fusion powered SUVs tomorrow and global warming could go away and there's still be whiney little beeyotches both rich and poor. After we coked them up on liquid courage, weed, shrooms, acid, football & soap operas or the religion of your choice, there'd still be unhappy people.

I don't worry about it. Their unhappiness is generally not my problem.

[aldente]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bochen787', 'L')ove is and can only be a person. Love is not something directed toward a person, or something felt for a person, it is the person him/herself.

[Raxozanne]

Nothing can ever be perfect because conflict in a social setting will always occur, ever heard of the battle of the sexes and the battle of the generations? People biologically don't want the same thing and conflict will therefore always occur. Throw in man's drive for social prestige/power/dominance over others and you have yourself a lot of problems. Live and let live never paid off as a strategy (Genghis Kahn is evidence of that - how many people alive today carry some of his genes? 1 in 30 or something?) So conflict will abound unless of course we all live separately but being a social animal we would all go insane.

Such navel-gazing is futile.

[aldente]

Roxozanne,
I've read once in the German Spiegel news magazine that through a form of tracing DNA in the mitochondira of cells the author came to the conclusion that during the last ice age only a small group of Eurasians made it over the then frozen Bering Straight into North America and according to his data only ONE woman survived and birthed. In other words ALL native Americans can be traced back to one woman (in both North- as well as South America). Is there such a thing as the mitochondria footprint? I don't know but for sure human population was at one point more in an equilibrium with its environment then it is today.

[Chaparral]

There is a mitochondrial footprint of sorts that only follows maternal lines of descent (an egg has abundant organelles/cytoplasm, which is to say, lots of mitochondria while a sperm is a packet of DNA with an outboard motor). There is some controversy over this mitochondrial clock/footprint. Supposedly mitochondrial DNA is not subject to that many selection pressures and will mutate at a constant rate more or less.
The diversity of mitochondrial DNA within a population will thus reflect the age of that population (sans outcrossing) and possibly the size of some distant ancestral population. The controversy arises as to the rate of the mitochondrial clock; is the rate of mutation constant? Or does it speed up some times and slow down others...kinda like an old Rolex that has a tired mainspring and needs fresh lubricant?

We sort of chewed this up in grad school with the upshot being that the mitochondrial clock may not keep very good time, and therefore may not be a very good indicator of past population size/age. I would not dismiss it entirely however, especially when coupled with other corroborative evidence.

[EndDays]

Well, from a Biblical standpoint, the world was created perfect, but when sin was brought into it so was death and its been downhill ever since.

That's why Christ came, died, and defeated death. He will one day return and restore the world to its original state with His followers.

ED