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Re: $3 a Gallon? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby Jester » Tue 11 Apr 2006, 12:13:18

The economy where you are is slightly different than that in North America though as well. An example like a receptionist in Dallas making an avaerage wage of $22,605. US, and the same job in London average $24,773. EURO. Current rate shows $1 Euro equals $1.21 US. So the London receptionist is earning $29,975 US dollars.

I'm not saying you don't have it bad, because you do, and it could get ugly there really fast. An island nation without enough resources... yikes.

In Canada, in the lower mainland (Vancouver BC area) I saw gas at 112.4 per litre, which in price per US gallon is $4.25 per gallon... So we're in the middle right now.

edit: Uhmm, how did my post end up before the post that started the thread, that I replied to...

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$3 a Gallon? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Tue 11 Apr 2006, 12:40:14

Well actually it doesn't.

I have to say I don't fear Peak Oil. I fear the resulting anarchy of a world seemingly blind to what is happening and doing NOTHING to avoid social destruction.

Anyway I digress from my point. I've been coming here for a good few months now and lived in ignorance to how much in relative terms a gallon of petrol costs.

Yes by the use of the word "PETROL" you will note I'm from the UK. So today I thought I would compare and contrast what WE pay for a gallon of petrol to what you guys Stateside of the pond pay.

Well for all your moaning about the cost of a gallon creeping up to 3 dollars, I have to ask you this question.

How does paying $6 a gallon stick in your claw? Which is the cost of a gallon over here.

When you've rationalised how much you pay compared to what we pay. To be honest $3 is peanuts.

My rationalisation is that no wonder the biggest consumer of oil in the world is oblivious to Peak Oil because it is still living (relatively), on cheap, affordable energy.
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Re: $3 a Barrel? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Tue 11 Apr 2006, 12:50:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow does paying $6 a gallon stick in your claw? Which is the cost of a gallon over here.


Its all relative. You can buy close to 2 pounds sterling for one US dollar. that means by our standards everything there is going to cost almost twice as much. So when you say it costs $6 a gallon compared to $3 a gallon when your currency is twice as costly, it isn't really that different.

I would say you do pay just a bit more but that can be explained by the costs associated with living on an island.
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Re: $3 a Barrel? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby Wildwell » Tue 11 Apr 2006, 13:04:03

I'm surpised someone hasn't got a lucrative sideline importing high MPG European cars. I guess $3 is a lot running a hummer.
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Re: $3 a Barrel? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby BastardSquad » Tue 11 Apr 2006, 13:18:55

As others have already pointed out,the exchange rates close the gap quite a bit.

What you need to understand is that the most of the money you spend on gas/petrol is for taxes which support any number of social programs you guys have and we do not.Free healthcare for example!Here in the states,if you need an operation and can't afford health insurance then you're just screwed!
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Re: $3 a Barrel? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby nero » Tue 11 Apr 2006, 13:32:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Unknown_Element', 'I')ts all relative. You can buy close to 2 pounds sterling for one US dollar. that means by our standards everything there is going to cost almost twice as much. So when you say it costs $6 a gallon compared to $3 a gallon when your currency is twice as costly, it isn't really that different.

I would say you do pay just a bit more but that can be explained by the costs associated with living on an island.


1 pound = 2 dollars NOT 1 dollar = 2 pounds

The original poster had done the currency exchange for you and with their taxes the cost of petrol is indeed alot higher than in US. This has been mentioned many many times on this site and I'm really suprised that a moderator wouldn't be familiar with the subject.


And in term of oil imports the UK is much less of an island than the US. They are self-sufficient in oil while the US has to import half of theirs from across the ocean.
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Re: $3 a Barrel? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby Jester » Tue 11 Apr 2006, 13:41:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nero', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Unknown_Element', 'I')ts all relative. You can buy close to 2 pounds sterling for one US dollar. that means by our standards everything there is going to cost almost twice as much. So when you say it costs $6 a gallon compared to $3 a gallon when your currency is twice as costly, it isn't really that different.

I would say you do pay just a bit more but that can be explained by the costs associated with living on an island.


1 pound = 2 dollars NOT 1 dollar = 2 pounds

The original poster had done the currency exchange for you and with their taxes the cost of petrol is indeed alot higher than in US. This has been mentioned many many times on this site and I'm really suprised that a moderator wouldn't be familiar with the subject.


And in term of oil imports the UK is much less of an island than the US. They are self-sufficient in oil while the US has to import half of theirs from across the ocean.


Pardon ? The UK is self sufficient ? I guess that explains the shortages and problems with getting oil from Norway ? I'm confused...
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Re: $3 a Barrel? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby strider3700 » Tue 11 Apr 2006, 13:52:47

Well the UK was self sufficient for a little bit there. Of course they're rapidly getting as bad as the states these days.
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Re: $3 a Barrel? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby Karl » Tue 11 Apr 2006, 15:29:29

At least a good percenatge of us in the UK will be able to walk within the infrastructrure when push comes to shove. We still haven't managed to build the roads a days hike wide!
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Re: $3 a Barrel? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby grabby » Tue 11 Apr 2006, 16:19:23

3 dollars a barrel isn't bad at all, whats the problem?

When I started driving, Saudi sweet was selling for 3 dollars a barrell and a gallon of premium was 17 cents.

We filles up our thirty gallon tanks for 5 dollars and we made 2.25 an hour so you work two hours and fill your tank.

Lets see how that compares now,

a 30 gallon tank costs 80 dollars now and I wouldn't mind a minimum wage of 40 dollars an hour.

I think that is where our dollar is going, to 40 an hour mionumum wage.

those were the good old days, my cousing bought a 69 mustang and my other cousin bought a 69 LT-1 camaro off the floor with about 400 horsepower anfter a little header work and we would cuise and drive all night with flames coming out the side on the drags, and we would spend about 10 bucks a weekend.

them were the good old days.

Now I drive a Geo metro and it costs me twenty dollars to fill up a weekend and there are no more flames coming out the side of the car, andthe days of cruising have dimmed out.

I think its curtains for teenagers and work and jobs and gas.

now we have to get used to 2walking and hiking and camping, not much else to do.
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Re: $3 a Barrel? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby thor » Tue 11 Apr 2006, 16:22:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', 'I')'m surpised someone hasn't got a lucrative sideline importing high MPG European cars. I guess $3 is a lot running a hummer.



I see your point. Perhaps some high MPG cars from France should be imported to the US. Americans can drive cheaper in that way and umployment will be tackled in France. :)
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Re: $3 a Barrel? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby fecteau » Tue 11 Apr 2006, 16:42:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m surpised someone hasn't got a lucrative sideline importing high MPG European cars. I guess $3 is a lot running a hummer.


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Re: $3 a Barrel? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby oilluber » Wed 12 Apr 2006, 20:54:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grabby', '3') dollars a barrel isn't bad at all, whats the problem?

When I started driving, Saudi sweet was selling for 3 dollars a barrell and a gallon of premium was 17 cents.

We filles up our thirty gallon tanks for 5 dollars and we made 2.25 an hour so you work two hours and fill your tank.

Lets see how that compares now,

a 30 gallon tank costs 80 dollars now and I wouldn't mind a minimum wage of 40 dollars an hour.

I think that is where our dollar is going, to 40 an hour mionumum wage.

those were the good old days, my cousing bought a 69 mustang and my other cousin bought a 69 LT-1 camaro off the floor with about 400 horsepower anfter a little header work and we would cuise and drive all night with flames coming out the side on the drags, and we would spend about 10 bucks a weekend.

them were the good old days.

Now I drive a Geo metro and it costs me twenty dollars to fill up a weekend and there are no more flames coming out the side of the car, andthe days of cruising have dimmed out.

I think its curtains for teenagers and work and jobs and gas.

now we have to get used to 2walking and hiking and camping, not much else to do.


you are forgetting one very, very important fact,,,,,'
in those good ole days, most production I assume was domestic.
Today,,, imports make up a big chunk.
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Re: $3 a Barrel? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby TITAN » Wed 12 Apr 2006, 23:32:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', 'I')'m surpised someone hasn't got a lucrative sideline importing high MPG European cars. I guess $3 is a lot running a hummer.



Are you kidding? Most americans would laugh and turn up their ignorant noses at the thought of buying something 'economical'.

There are plenty of american cars that get decent MPG...Gathering dust in the car lots...
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Re: $3 a Barrel? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby kerosene » Wed 12 Apr 2006, 23:52:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow does paying $6 a gallon stick in your claw? Which is the cost of a gallon over here.


Its all relative. You can buy close to 2 pounds sterling for one US dollar. that means by our standards everything there is going to cost almost twice as much. So when you say it costs $6 a gallon compared to $3 a gallon when your currency is twice as costly, it isn't really that different.

I would say you do pay just a bit more but that can be explained by the costs associated with living on an island.


Let me see if I got this right - 6$ a gallon is no problem because it is just 3 pounds...

Now that is an argument with absolutely no sense. Different countries have different curencies that do not rate 1 to 1 (thats why we have xchange rates) that doesn't mean in any way that one amount of local currencies would mean same purchase power.
Italy used to have Liras that were something like 3000 lires for 20$. Did that mean that in Italy gas would have cost 3 lires to be in similar level to purchase?


another thing for the earlier poster - do not compare Dallas to London. Texas has one of the cheapest metrolpolitan areas to live in the US. Compare London to San Francisco or Los Angeles and you are closer. London is very expensie and high paid city in Europe.
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Re: $3 a Gallon? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby erb » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 10:44:44

my PT crusier costs $40 to fill right now and a 2 hour drive only take 1/4 of the tank, lots of storage and leg room, great for camping.

on the cost note... i pass 4 stations when i drive home on weekends and its been at .95- .99 a litre now i dont even bother trying to find the cheaper one its all the same when your at a buck

i remeber in the 80's when my mom used to flip about gas being a quarter. it mattered to a single mom with 2 kids at the time. ive been trying to explaing peak oil and whats coming to her and her bofriend and my wifes parents and they all laugh and think im crazy. my wifes brother and his wife have seen end of suburbia, they ARE aware and understand whats coming. to my amazment they just stuck theyre heads back in the sand. PEOPLE DONT WANT TO BELIEVE OR CHANGE

i think this weekend i'll ask my mom if she remebers when gas was a quarter and ask what she thinks of prices now, as i change the oil in my PT in the driveway next to boyfriends musclecar. hahaha how ironic the times wwe live in
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Re: $3 a Barrel? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby JoeW » Thu 13 Apr 2006, 15:37:31

the smart fortwo? what an odd name. never heard of it.
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Re: $3 a Gallon? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Fri 14 Apr 2006, 02:09:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erb', '
')i remeber in the 80's when my mom used to flip about gas being a quarter. it mattered to a single mom with 2 kids at the time. ive been trying to explaing peak oil and whats coming to her and her bofriend and my wifes parents and they all laugh and think im crazy. my wifes brother and his wife have seen end of suburbia, they ARE aware and understand whats coming. to my amazment they just stuck theyre heads back in the sand. PEOPLE DONT WANT TO BELIEVE OR CHANGE


I've given up trying to tell people what's going on, even though they are complaining about the price of petrol, noone seems to be able to grasp the simple fact that we are running out.

Worse still is a lot of my friends insist that it's just because of the war in Iraq or some other reason why prices are high and that they will go back down soon.

They fail to realise that Gordon Brown has indicated that he can see prices going up again, so felt no need to increase stamp duty on fuel. the oil companies raise the tax for him.
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Re: $3 a Gallon? My Heart Bleeds......

Unread postby Zardoz » Mon 17 Apr 2006, 15:19:22

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New price this morning. I'll bet they raise it again tomorrow, considering what happened to crude today.

Any bets on what they'll pump it up to?
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