[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SolarDave', 'M')ichel, you are working WAY too hard on your design. This is all you need:

The wheel is circular and underwater.
Around the rim are sets of metal plates arranged in pairs.
Each pair of plates has a fixed plate and a hinged plate.
Between the plates are "balloons" filled with air.
The balloons are cross-connected with tubes so air can flow between pairs of them on opposite sides of the wheel.

Theory of operation:

Obviously, the plates will squeeze the air out of the balloons on the right side, as the top plate is hinged so that it can press down on the balloon. On the left side the hinged plate is now the bottom plate, and it falls away from the balloon allowing it to fill with air from it's connected twin. As the wheel spins, air is continuously pumped from the right side of the wheel to the left side. With more buoyancy on the left side, the wheel continues to turn forever.

Simple math involving no more than 5 differential equations proves this works.

There. Now we can close this board down for sure.

[SolarDave]

With much additional effort, I have developed the Mark II version of the design I posted above.

In the Mark II, the entire device is resting on a stand out of the water (no lake or ocean is required now, thank goodness!) and the ballons themselves are filled with water. Of course, the device now rotates in the opposite direction. The math has become so tedious that I can't prove that last point.

I showed my wife the design, and she suggested that saving the world was "nice" but the lawn needed to be mowed. Realizing I am probably not going to be able to build this invention myself, I would be happy to sponsor a contest. All entry fees (minus a small management fee for me, of course) would go to the builder of the first working model that could power a 100 watt light bulb continuously - while being monitored by qualified observers - for a month.

Any takers?

[Michel]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SolarDave', ' ')In the Mark II, the entire device is resting on a stand out of the water (no lake or ocean is required now, thank goodness!) and the ballons themselves are filled with water.

[bobcousins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', '[')url=http://wuerth-ag.com/]Wuerth[/url] AG does not state anything different. Of course perpetual motion is a nuisence, however any form of planetary continuation everv since the Big Bang occured 4 and a half Billion years ago proves the opposite!

[emailking]

He's also off by a factor of 3 as to when the big bang occurred.

[Michel]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobcousins', ' ')[Often quoted, but not true either. The purpose of PM is not just perpetual motion, but 'free energy'. The Earth "extracts" energy from the orbit of the Moon (in the form of tides), and this causes the orbit of the Moon to increase (losing energy). Eventually the tides on Earth will be negligible and the Moon even further away. Planetary orbits are only perpetual as long as you don't try to extract energy from them.

So in fact the orbit of the planets proves TANSTAAFL.

[emailking]

I stopped reading when I saw this.

"speed of photons decreases with distance. "

[bobcousins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Michel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobcousins', ' ')[Often quoted, but not true either. The purpose of PM is not just perpetual motion, but 'free energy'. The Earth "extracts" energy from the orbit of the Moon (in the form of tides), and this causes the orbit of the Moon to increase (losing energy). Eventually the tides on Earth will be negligible and the Moon even further away. Planetary orbits are only perpetual as long as you don't try to extract energy from them.

So in fact the orbit of the planets proves TANSTAAFL.

[Michel]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', 'I') stopped reading when I saw this.

"speed of photons decreases with distance. "

[Etalon]

I think it would be a good thing if perpetual motion/free energy threads were automatically moved to the hall of flames forum. The patent office doesnt accept perpetual motion / free energy applications, maybe we should learn from them. Debates like these are a waste of time.

[emailking]

I don't need to see here. Anyone who thinks photons will slow down as they traverse space knows nothing about modern physics.

When you address my argument for why your machine won't work, then I'll look at your links. Until then you look like a nutjob.

[emailking]

Since I cracked out of curiosity, that's completely different. The light only slows down overall when it's in a medium. An individual photon still travels the same speed (speed of light in vacuum). The whacko you cited thought that because the light reddens as it traverses space that that was evidence it had slowed down, from loss of energy.

[0mar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Michel', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', 'I') stopped reading when I saw this.

"speed of photons decreases with distance. "

[aldente]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', 'H')e's also off by a factor of 3 as to when the big bang occurred.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', 'H')e's also off by a factor of 3 as to when the big bang occurred.

[Agren]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', 'H')e's also off by a factor of 3 as to when the big bang occurred.

[Aedo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Agren', ',') my memory of the event is somewhat hazy.

[emailking]

Big Bang was about 13.7 billion years ago. This number is virtually not disputed in the physics community, and hasn't been for several years now. Gone are the days when all we could say was 7-20 billion years, even though some stars appear older than 7 billion.

My knowledge of the earth's age is not as clear, but I always remember hearing between 4 and 5 billion years based on radioactive evidence.

[aldente]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Agren', 'I') think you are mixing up numbers here, the earth is about 4.5 billion years old, but the Big Bang happened about 14 billion years ago. Or so they think, my memory of the event is somewhat hazy.

[Michel]

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Energy: http://perpetuum.monsite.wanadoo.fr