[Leanan]

Once again - New York is not part of New England. New England is Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont.

[MD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'O')nce again - New York is not part of New England. New England is Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont.

[dhfenton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'O')nce again - New York is not part of New England. New England is Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont.

[Leanan]

Technically, New York is a "Mid-Atlantic State." The U.S. census considers the Mid-Atlantic States to be New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania. Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, and West Virginia, and Washington, D.C. are commonly considered Mid-Atlantic states, but the Census Bureau considers them Southern.

IMO, there is a cultural difference between NY and New England, even upstate NY. There's more diversity in NY, and always has been. It was settled by a broader range of people. You don't find that classic New England accent in NY, either.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'T')echnically, New York is a "Mid-Atlantic State."

[MD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dhfenton', '
')This is getting totally off-post; but quite truthfully, most NYers don't associate themselves with any region. They're from NY and that's all there is to it.

[The_Virginian]

Some history, on NYC...Nuvo York has alwas been stradled between the camps....

"At the time of Abraham Lincoln's election, there was a rift forming between the powers in control in Albany, and the Mayor of NYC, Fernando Wood. Wood felt that Albany had too much control over NYC; he was especially passionate about the Metropolitan police, who took their orders from the governor. Wood felt that the police who patrol his city should answer to him, that the city itself could and should have more control over its everyday activities. This animosity toward Albany and Police Superintendent John Kennedy was displayed when the police seized the steamer Monticello, which was traveling from NYC to Savannah, with a cargo of contraband goods including several muskets. Mayor Wood apologized to Governor Toombs, of Georgia; in a written letter stating how he regretted what had happened and that he lacked the authority to prevent the seizure of the arms.

With the nation imploding and a rigorous battle for more self-rule of his city, Mayor Wood made the greatest, and most controversial proposal of his life.

Wood proposed that if the south leaves the Union, and forms its own nation, that NYC should also leave the union and the rest of New York State, as a "Free City". The idea was supported by few, but opposed by many. One such supporter was the New York Daily News, whose chief editor was Benjamin Wood, Fernando's brother. Benjamin praised the idea and the courage that the mayor displayed in his proposal. Unlike the Daily News, most papers denounced Wood's idea. For instance the Evening Post remarked, "It had never suspected Wood of being a fool, and inquired if the city should take along the Long Island Sound, the New York Central Railroad and the Erie Canal (1). Another newspaper, the Tribune stated, " Fernando Wood evidently wants to be a traitor; it is lack of courage only that makes him content with being a blackguard" (2).

Many prominent businessmen in NYC supported Wood's idea, but only if the Union was" dissolved or on the verge of dissolution" (3). The idea of a Republic of New York was not a bad one if there were two separate nations. With its vast ports and low tariffs, NYC would still be the trade capital of the western hemisphere. Being a free city that made its money on tariffs alone, Wood wanted a town whose monetary problems could be dealt without the need to tax its people.

Arguing for a free city, Wood said "Instead of supporting by her contributions in revenue two-thirds of the expenses of the U.S., become also, equally independent? As a free city, with a nominal duty on imports, her local government could be supported without taxation upon her peoples…Thus, we conclude, we should live free from taxes, and have cheap goods nearly duty free…When disunion has become a fixed and certain fact, why may New York City disrupt the lands which bind her to a venal and corrupt master - to a people and a party that have plundered her revenue, attempted to ruin her commerce, taken away the power of self-government and destroy the confederacy in which she was the proud empire city" (4).

Being a free city would have made NYC neutral in the disagreement between the north and the south, and would not sever those historically profitable ties between the two. Mayor Wood never imagined that if fighting broke out, that NYC would not side with the south."

http://employees.oneonta.edu/bealt/david.htm

[fossil_fuel]

as an upstate new yorker i fully support secession from NYC. everyone here realizes how bad things are going to get when eliot spitzer is elected as governor. This state has been heading down the wrong path already, and it is only going to get worse.