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Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

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Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Just shut up! No one who wants to know doesn't already know...
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Preach on brotha!! (or sista) People MUST know!!!
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Continue researching and exposing global conspiracies but don't push them on people...
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Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Unread postby deconstructionist » Tue 14 Feb 2006, 14:04:34

I spend a good portion of my time trying to communicate to people about peak oil, the evils of the PNAC, the Iranian Oil Bourse, the federal reserve system scam, global control by banking elites, etc. etc. I find that most people are not swayed by facts--they have already made up their mind whether they want to break free from the shackles of social conditioning or not. Any attempt at challenging their world view is met with either being ignored or being insulted.

I'm wodering if I should just give up, keep putting my money in the bank, and just watch things come crashing down when they eventually do... or if it's worth it to continue trying to share unpopular information with the people that it adversely affects in the hopes that more and more eyes will be opened and eventually people will mount some sort of reasonable opposition to the global elites? I'm not sayin' I can change the world, but I want to spark the mind that will...

What do you all think?

To read my collection of unpopular information, check my blog, Truth Addicts Anonymous. Thanks for voting.
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Re: Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 14 Feb 2006, 14:20:12

Yes, it's worth it, but you have to be prepared to be called all kinds of horrible names - stupid, fascist, insane, irrational, naive, etc etc
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Re: Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Unread postby Schweinshaxe » Tue 14 Feb 2006, 17:31:11

No.
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Re: Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Unread postby Carlhole » Tue 14 Feb 2006, 17:31:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deconstructionist', 'I') spend a good portion of my time trying to communicate to people about peak oil, the evils of the PNAC, the Iranian Oil Bourse, the federal reserve system scam, global control by banking elites, etc. etc. I find that most people are not swayed by facts--they have already made up their mind whether they want to break free from the shackles of social conditioning or not. Any attempt at challenging their world view is met with either being ignored or being insulted.


HA! Yer outta the closet now...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Truth Addict', 'A')nd if you look just slightly below the surface, 9/11 is not that hard to understand... Iraq started selling oil for Euros in September of 2000 in protest of US sanctions (source). The reprehensible 9/11 attacks manufactured sufficient consent amongst the public for the US to go to war with Iraq. The attacks were perpetrated by Saudis--15 of the 19 hijackers were saudis (source). The Saudis directly benefit from the petrodollar recycling system (source) and it was in both their and the US's best interests to stop Iraq from doing so--by removing Saddam from power.

The organization that benefits most from the petrodollar recycling system is the Federal Reserve (source). They have vast influence over both the US and Saudi governments. The war in Iraq was made possible by a so-called terrorist attack on US soil perpetrated by a nation (Saudi Arabia) who was similarly economically threatened by Iraq's shift from the dollar to the Euro. The Federal Reserve--via Saudi Arabia and the US--had to send a message to other OPEC nations that a challenge to the petrodollar hegemony would not be tolerated.

9/11 was a horrific sacrifice made by the global elites of the New World Order in order to save the US dollar from total collapse.


It's something like that. Probably more complicated.

One also has to marvel at how the US is being hollowed out through its sending manufacturing, service and IT jobs to Asia with a vengeance, how we are supposedly fighting this war on terror while our borders are wide open, how the media refuses to talk about some subjects, such as 911 anomalies, or the 4 permanent superbases being built in Iraq:

[url=http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=59774]

Tomgram: A Permanent Basis for Withdrawal?[/url]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tom Engelhardt', '
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Can You Say "Permanent Bases"?
The American Press Can't

There are at least four such "super-bases" in Iraq, none of which have anything to do with "withdrawal" from that country. Quite the contrary, these bases are being constructed as little American islands of eternal order in an anarchic sea. Whatever top administration officials and military commanders say -- and they always deny that we seek "permanent" bases in Iraq -– facts-on-the-ground speak with another voice entirely. These bases practically scream "permanency."

Unfortunately, there's a problem here. American reporters adhere to a simple rule: The words "permanent," "bases," and "Iraq" should never be placed in the same sentence, not even in the same paragraph; in fact, not even in the same news report. While a LexisNexis search of the last 90 days of press coverage of Iraq produced a number of examples of the use of those three words in the British press, the only U.S. examples that could be found occurred when 80% of Iraqis (obviously somewhat unhinged by their difficult lives) insisted in a poll that the United States might indeed desire to establish bases and remain permanently in their country; or when "no" or "not" was added to the mix via any American official denial. (It's strange, isn't it, that such bases, imposing as they are, generally only exist in our papers in the negative.) Three examples will do: ...



And this article probably belongs here. Apparently, it is the most read article ever at EV World at over 3000 reads:

The Iran crisis & global peak oil

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Charles Whalen', '.')..Everything I see and read tells me that this clash and conflict is probably now inevitable, especially due to the belligerent, bellicose, intransigent, uncompromising nature of the antagonists on each side whose positions and rhetoric are becoming increasingly hardened and dug in. The world is becoming increasingly polarized in this brewing conflict, with the Europeans now becoming more unified and pushed into the American camp by the whole Prophet Muhammed cartoon affair with all of its targeted violence directed against Denmark, Norway, France, Britain, and Germany. On Iran's side, you have Russia, China, Syria, and Venezuela (which is the United States' third largest oil supplier, after Canada and Mexico, and whose president, Hugo Chavez, has said that he would cut off all oil exports to the US in the event of any US attack on Iran). The other Arabs and the Turks seem to be caught somewhere in the middle at the moment. The battle lines are hardening. I can see the train wreck coming. The repercussions will be devastating. As I said, we'll have oil over $300 and gasoline over $10. We will see a worldwide depression on a scale not seen since the Great Depression of the 1930s. The US dollar will collapse against the euro and go into free fall. China will use the opportunity to seize Taiwan. The Chinese will also engage in economic sabotage against the US through the enormous financial leverage they have over us with their massive US Treasury debt holdings, which they will dump en masse on world financial markets. Yes, that's a bit like shooting oneself in the foot, but at that point it won't matter any more because things will have moved way beyond such considerations...
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Re: Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Unread postby rushdy » Wed 15 Feb 2006, 08:48:14

NA NAA NAAAH!! I'M NOT LISTENING!

..I cant hear you. You're all bloody mad! :wink:
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Re: Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Wed 15 Feb 2006, 09:13:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
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And this article probably belongs here. Apparently, it is the most read article ever at EV World at over 3000 reads:

The Iran crisis & global peak oil


Great article that one. Thanks for the link. He seems to think in a similar way to me.
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Re: Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Unread postby Mesuge » Wed 15 Feb 2006, 09:29:43

Well as history tought us it is oftentimes necessary to sacrifice your well being, job, career prospects, security of your family and friends just to tell the simple truth.

The majority of relatively decent honest people facing such a dilema usually don't rise to the occasion and just give up, "..it's not worth the trouble, I'm just the little guy.." You can say that this attitude is probably wrong but that's how our society has been hard-wired for ages.

So, in that light "whistleblowers" can be seen as hazardous individuals for your own safety so you better avoid any contact with them.. In any case their message mostly even didn't reach the critical mass to succeed in the first place..
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Re: Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Unread postby rogerhb » Wed 15 Feb 2006, 10:08:39

Yes and no.

If it's small, like someone has something hanging from your nose, fly undone, or toilet paper stuck to their show, then yes, and normally their embarressment overrides most other thoughts.

If it's large, like they are going to lose their job, house, car and yacht, then no, as you will need somebody to be better off than in the near future and you can line up a number of candidates for the unlimited number of positions that will become available.
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Re: Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 15 Feb 2006, 10:58:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')And this article probably belongs here. Apparently, it is the most read article ever at EV World at over 3000 reads:
The Iran crisis & global peak oil
The US seems to be having some problems with the asymetrical warfare in Iraq, but conventional warfare is perceived to be a trump card. If they do go after Iran, I would not be surprised if they do more than bomb the nuke sites. They may hit the leadership too for the reasons mentioned in this article and others. The Iranian government decapitated would be the response to Al Qaeda beheadings, sort of. Oil prices would probably go up, but only stay up if the mission was botched. Maybe we'll find out, huh?
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Re: Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Unread postby rogerhb » Wed 15 Feb 2006, 11:15:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'O')il prices would probably go up, but only stay up if the mission was botched. Maybe we'll find out, huh?


You reckon another "Mission Accomplished"?

Or rather, remember Col Gardiner "There is no military solution to Iran".
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Re: Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Unread postby deconstructionist » Wed 15 Feb 2006, 14:35:54

thanks for the opinions. i don't want to give up but sometimes i feel like i'm shouting into the void. even if my feeble attempts to publicize my blog were actually working to build traffic and readers--i just don't know if people can overcome the forces conspiring "against" us. even if everyone was listening--no one seems to be doing much of anything (myself included). and action on one's own behalf is always the first step... just because things are going to spiral out of control in our lifetimes doesn't mean that those of us who forsee it can prevent it... sad world we live in some times...

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Re: Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Unread postby Carlhole » Wed 15 Feb 2006, 23:53:12

Citizen's Counter Coup

All who are concerned with the direction we're being taken as a nation need a simple yet powerful formula that will return the political decision-making process to We the People.

This will involve simply setting aside about 15 minutes per month to take a consistent action. We will contact our legislators and targeted media list the week of the 11th of each month.
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Re: Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Unread postby PrairieMule » Thu 16 Feb 2006, 17:26:56

To me it's about subtle persuasion, rather than here it is take it or leave it but if you leave it you are stupid. No one likes their thoughts and opinions rejected or laughed at, especially if you feel strong about them. Thus it seems like you are shouting into a void. Try this instead, put a few key thoughts out there and see what sticks. Plant subtle seeds in conversations instead of the hard sell.

Be smooth.

When the folks realize that you have valid point, they will come to you with their full attention. Folks in my immediate circle tended to be more open to my way of thinking when gas hit $3 a gallon last Sept.
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Re: Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Unread postby deconstructionist » Mon 20 Feb 2006, 10:05:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'T')o me it's about subtle persuasion, rather than here it is take it or leave it but if you leave it you are stupid. No one likes their thoughts and opinions rejected or laughed at, especially if you feel strong about them. Thus it seems like you are shouting into a void. Try this instead, put a few key thoughts out there and see what sticks. Plant subtle seeds in conversations instead of the hard sell.

Be smooth.

When the folks realize that you have valid point, they will come to you with their full attention. Folks in my immediate circle tended to be more open to my way of thinking when gas hit $3 a gallon last Sept.

excellent advice. not much seems to have stuck, as most people are pretty wrapt in the blanket of mainstream media conciousness. but i think the iranian bourse and dollar vs euro issue may start to stick if it actually does go through and the dollar starts to fall against the euro...
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Re: Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Unread postby The_Virginian » Mon 20 Feb 2006, 16:20:42

It pays to guage the person you wish to inform with prepatory questions in a BTW tone.If they show no interest, save your breath.

If they are curious, let the info flow, and be sure to back up everything.

If you do manage to make a new "truth-seeker":

Keep in mind their psyche needs protection as well, make sure fellow truth seekers don't go "over the edge" and start to look like the nurotic immages of humanity; the immage Psy-ops personel have worked so hard crafting.
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Re: Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Unread postby Liamj » Mon 20 Feb 2006, 17:09:30

Re: Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information? - definately yes, because its dull and maladaptive to live/associate with know-nothing fools. But if they're not interested (90%?), save your breath and just try to slip one seed of non-compliant fact thru their defences, where it can niggle away at their assumptions.

Remember also, we have an opportunity to mint credibility by 'predicting' the future. "Oils gunna go up again you know." "The yanks wont leave iraq till the oils all gone." "Putin is going to take W.Europe to the cleaners for russian gas." All these are IMHO damn near certain to happen, so i'm trying to work up a local reputation as an oracle. :-D
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Re: Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Unread postby Falconoffury » Mon 20 Feb 2006, 18:24:06

One of the greatest flaws in human nature is our desire to change facts simply by wishing and hoping that they are different. It is as if people are hoping that by accepting "2+2=5" as fact, the statement becomes fact. People can't understand that facts exist independantly from whatever their hopes and desires may be.

If people can't accept facts through their own independent thoughts, they must be indoctrinated to accept them, just as they have been indoctrinated into the American Dream. Preach on, brother!
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Re: Is it worth it trying to share unpopular information?

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Tue 21 Feb 2006, 03:07:24

Is it worth it? I think so, even if you don't get anyone to act. Just to get one person to think about the issue makes it worth everything.

If people decide they want to shoot you, the messenger? That's what guns are for, don't go down without promising yourself that you will kill every last one of the bastards if they try, and acting on it if push comes to shove...
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