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Cannabalism

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What do you think of cannabalism in a crash situation?

Poll ended at Thu 02 Mar 2006, 11:53:58

I'd join a gang of cannabal killers if I could live.
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I would eat someone if they were already dead.
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I'd rather die than eat another human being, dead or alive.
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I will kill cannabals or raiders that come after my stash and eat them with a nice stored Cianti.
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Total votes : 17

Cannabalism

Unread postby FossilFool » Tue 31 Jan 2006, 11:53:58

I assume everyone here would not kill someone with the intention and sole purpose to eat that person in a Peak Oil crash situation.

Would you eat someone if perhaps the person were trying to kill you and you killed them to defend yourself?

If you found someone dead, would you eat them?

I have heard it mentioned that there might be a lot of cannabalism.
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Re: Cannabalism

Unread postby TorrKing » Tue 31 Jan 2006, 12:01:29

I would not, there will be other things to eat if you know where to look.

But think that some people, without the sufficient skills to get themselves food may turn to cannibalism. And those who are psycopaths in the first place. They may eat humans just because they are easier to catch or to their perverse satisfaction.

Cannibalism is so grim that I think I would have difficulties looking at a cannibal as a human being. Regardless of his motives.

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Re: Cannabalism

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Tue 31 Jan 2006, 12:30:07

Like Dog eat Dog?

It's a hard question, I don't know, but if you were starving perhaps I would munch on a previously dead body, but I would not go out hunting humans for meat. If I was trapped in a room with 10 people and we kept going thinner and thinner, I think the time would come we would have to draw straws or all die, so I guess in some instances there is an honest motive and who knows what you would do if you hadn't eaten in days, your mind would be playing tricks on you and pretty much unconsiously perform the eating for you.

Does anyone know of an experiment or accident which has ocurred in the past where a bunch of the same type of animals had been locked up together and not been fed for weeks?, what would they do?
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Re: Cannabalism

Unread postby The_Virginian » Tue 31 Jan 2006, 12:48:32

love these issues, keep coming back to haunt us.

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let's say contigency cannabilisim is something few would admit to, but most everybody would do if their lives depended on it for nutrition.

And most would deny it afterward.

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Re: Cannabalism

Unread postby truecougarblue » Tue 31 Jan 2006, 13:14:20

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')Does anyone know of an experiment or accident which has ocurred in the past where a bunch of the same type of animals had been locked up together and not been fed for weeks?, what would they do?


The Donner party was one such. They only ate those who had already died.

I'd be most worried about infectious disease. Pork must be cooked well because we humans and swine share many diseases. Humans and humans share ALL diseases. If you are in a state to cannibalize will you have the presence of mind to boil your homo sapien stew?

I feel bad for those who have resorted to such, but I don't think it's likely to happen on a grand scale and I'd like to believe I wouldn't do it no matter what.
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Re: Cannabalism

Unread postby gary_malcolm » Tue 31 Jan 2006, 13:40:36

Mmm, Dinner...


I suspect that the combination of Couch Potato, Vegetarian and Youth will make for the best sauteeing.

Older Carnivores should be stewed with root vegetables until the flesh falls away from the bone. And remember, the closer to the bone, the sweeter the meat.

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Re: Cannabalism

Unread postby ashurbanipal » Tue 31 Jan 2006, 14:28:35

I would kill someone who came to do violence to me or my family or friends (presumably because I should have plenty of food, textile materials, energy, etc.) and then put them in a compost pit. Does that count as canibalism?
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Re: Cannabalism

Unread postby threadbear » Tue 31 Jan 2006, 14:35:17

The first trial's murder conviction was overturned on a technicality: some say the judge said: "There was seven Democrats in Hinsdale County and you ate five of them."

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Re: Cannabalism

Unread postby Leanan » Tue 31 Jan 2006, 16:27:02

The Donner Party did kill people to eat them. Among the first to be killed were their two Indian guides. (Hey, they're not really human, right?)

They also discussed drawing lots and killing and eating the loser. They decided to wait until someone died naturally instead. Eventually, though, they helped someone along. One of their number caught his sleeve on fire while sleeping near the firepit, and rather than put it out, they let it burn, so they could eat him.

The last person to be rescued, Lewis Keseberg, is likely responsible for killing several of the Donner party. He threw an older man off his wagon earlier in the journey, abandoning him in the wilderness to die. He also killed two young boys so he could eat them.

Keseberg was the last to be rescued because none of the other four people they left with him survived. He ate them all. He claimed they died naturally, but that was viewed with suspicion, since at least one of the people left with him was healthy and strong. (Indeed, he later spoke about how delicious she was, since she still had so much fat.)

The History Channel aired a two-hour documentary on cannibalism the other night. It claimed that it was common for people to kill and eat their own children during times of famine. Europe, Egypt, China...in times of famine, people consume their own children. I find that hard to believe. OTOH, things were different back then. Most children did not live to adulthood anyway, so perhaps parents were not as attached to their kids as they are today.
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Re: Cannabalism

Unread postby threadbear » Tue 31 Jan 2006, 17:17:18

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The History Channel aired a two-hour documentary on cannibalism the other night. It claimed that it was common for people to kill and eat their own children during times of famine. Europe, Egypt, China...in times of famine, people consume their own children. I find that hard to believe. OTOH, things were different back then. Most children did not live to adulthood anyway, so perhaps parents were not as attached to their kids as they are today.


You know I really find this hard to believe. If this was the case, wouldn't people in the Sudan and Somalia be eating their own children during their prolonged famines? I mean, I know new hamster mothers do this when they're nervous, and when I was young my mother had the unfortunate habit of saying I looked good enough to eat, (which really creeped me out.) Don't you think that anthropologists are engaged in hyterical cannibal outing these days, to counteract years of cannibalism denial in their field of research?

On the other hand, maybe fathers who've only had limited contact with their children would eat them. But mothers? Nope. Wouldn't happen.
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Re: Cannabalism

Unread postby Leanan » Tue 31 Jan 2006, 18:41:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou know I really find this hard to believe. If this was the case, wouldn't people in the Sudan and Somalia be eating their own children during their prolonged famines?


I'm not sure. They are perhaps not as desperate, since they know if they can get to a UN feeding station, there will be food.

OTOH, if they were doing it, would we know about it? It's awfully isolated. Amnesty International got photographic proof that widescale cannibalism was going on in Liberia and Sierra Leone in the '80s, but declined to publicize it. This was confirmed in a couple of later video documentaries, but how many people have heard of it? It's not the kind of information that's likely to get donors to open up their wallets.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')on't you think that anthropologists are engaged in hyterical cannibal outing these days, to counteract years of cannibalism denial in their field of research?


I honestly don't know. The show was more history than anthropology, though it used some recent anthrology findings, like the study that claims our genes show we evolved to be cannibals.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n the other hand, maybe fathers who've only had limited contact with their children would eat them. But mothers? Nope. Wouldn't happen.


I'm not sure, one way or the other. Supposedly, the Soviet government actually printed signs reading "Eating your children is an act of barbarism." Does that mean people were actually doing it? I dunno.

Mothers of the Fore tribe did eat the bodies of their children, and even well-fed American mothers sometimes eat the placentas of their babies. If they were hungry enough, would they eat the babies, too?

We know that in some circumstances, mothers will kill their own children, and in some circumstances, they will eat their children's bodies, so doing both seems possible.

Supposedly, parents in China who couldn't bear to eat their own children traded with other parents.
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