[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'W')hich documents the unsuccessful attempt to find evidence of cancer or auto-immune disorders in hunter-gatherer societies.

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'h')aha, the "entire nutritional community." As if there's some unified "nutritional community" out there that has a lock on the truth.

[The_Virginian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Virginian', 'N')ow all we need is a Moderator to take your post and Stickey it in the "Preperations" section as "Raising Locust/Hoppers for Urban Protien"

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', 'A')re you honestly trying to take on the entire nutritional community

[TheTurtle]

The anti-Atkins rhetoric is a classic example of erroneous group think.

My wife and I started Atkins almost 4 years ago and haven't eaten grains or sugar since. During that time we have each lost more than 70 pounds (and kept it off), her cholesterol dropped more than 100 points (with her good cholesterol getting higher and her bad cholesterol lower). My cholesterol was never bad, but it has remained good "despite" (I know it is actually due to) eating bacon and eggs for breakfast daily for almost 4 years. My blood pressure dropped 40 points, top and bottom.

I have recently drifted from Atkins more toward a Paleolithic diet (i.e., what we are genetically designed to eat), which basically just involves giving up cheese and adding more fruit.

I eat eggs, meat, nuts, vegetables and fruits. I will never again eat grains or sugar. But I encourage everyone else to eat as much grains and sugar as they wish ... it leaves more good food for me.

[tawharanui]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', 'I')nteresting article, and it makes perfect sense... it takes a lot of pounds of grain to produce one pound of beef. We're all talking about EROEI around here -- well, how about the EROEI of beef versus veggies and grains? If veggies and grains are the light sweet crude in that scale, then beef would be the tar sands...

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tawharanui', '
')
The comments around this theme are few, so I am tempted to conclude that most people here are just too lazy or uninterested to delve outside their own prejudices and preconceptions of the world.

anyone want to talk about the topic at hand?
didn't think so.
ciao.

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', 'T')he fact is, ALL commercial agro-business is nasty and energy wasteful, both for those of us who eat meat and for those who don't.

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', 'B')ut when we're talking about supporting seven billion people on the planet, well, I think it's clear that the vegetation will do a better job.

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', 'W')here do people get the idea that veggies aren't part of the Atkin's diet? I eat a salad every day for lunch.

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', '
')Well, maybe the diet's changed. I bought 'The Atkins Diet Revolution' about five years ago and tried it for about a week and a half. The book told me to cut out all carbs, including vegetables, and to keep myself alive on supplements and laxatives.

[nocar]

Well, let us get back to the point of this thread - eating meat or driving cars.

Whether a vegetarian or a mixed or an exclusive meat diet makes you live longer is beside the point here. People seem to be able to live to a ripe old age on lots of different diets. And some die young on all kinds of diets also. (Actually, a diet that kills you sooner would be better in the spirit of this forum. Overpopulation is not helped by people living longer!)

But certainly a vegetarian diet requires less of the earth's resources, as each acre can feed more people that way. Yet most people want fish and meat along with their grain and veggies. And most people seem to want a car too, which also is very wasteful of Earth's resources.

For my own part, I do not mind giving up a car, but I would really mind giving up meat and fish - although of course I can enjoy an occasional veggie dinner. But then I do not like cars very much.

So a question to this thread's posters: What would you rather give up? Your car or your beef, eggs and bacon?

nocar

[dub_scratch]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nocar', '
')
So a question to this thread's posters: What would you rather give up? Your car or your beef, eggs and bacon?

nocar

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dub_scratch', 'O')n a related topic, it is interesting to see these ethanol proposals that are obliquely presenting the same hamburger vs car question. That is because in order to expand ethanol production to its greatest level possible, we would have to all go vegetarian as we divert corn from cows to cars. yet we never hear these ethanol promoting frauds ever say they need everybody to give up meat eating so we can save the National Traffic Jam. And the reason the omit that is quite obvious. Everybody would rather have hamburgers then traffic jams.


let's see, humans have been eating meat for how long?...and driving cars for how long?

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nocar', '
')So a question to this thread's posters: What would you rather give up? Your car or your beef, eggs and bacon?

[dub_scratch]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dub_scratch', 'O')n a related topic, it is interesting to see these ethanol proposals that are obliquely presenting the same hamburger vs car question. That is because in order to expand ethanol production to its greatest level possible, we would have to all go vegetarian as we divert corn from cows to cars. yet we never hear these ethanol promoting frauds ever say they need everybody to give up meat eating so we can save the National Traffic Jam. And the reason the omit that is quite obvious. Everybody would rather have hamburgers then traffic jams.


let's see, humans have been eating meat for how long?...and driving cars for how long?

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dub_scratch', 'S')o if switchgrass does work it still does not give us the possibility of ethanol without forcing the hamburger vs. traffic jam choice.

[dub_scratch]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dub_scratch', 'S')o if switchgrass does work it still does not give us the possibility of ethanol without forcing the hamburger vs. traffic jam choice.