We have two choices...which one is it?

by **Chuckmak** » Mon 09 Jan 2006, 02:26:52

'cause let's face it folks. you can't have both. now which is it?

by **Specop_007** » Mon 09 Jan 2006, 02:35:25

Freedom carries its own version of security.

by **jupiter422** » Mon 09 Jan 2006, 02:45:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'F')reedom carries its own version of security.

by **The_Toecutter** » Mon 09 Jan 2006, 03:05:31

I'd prefer to follow the advice of this nation's founders. Freedom it is.

by **AmericanEmpire** » Mon 09 Jan 2006, 12:44:36

I'd rather have total out of control chaos and anarchy than a police state.

But which one do you think the sheep will choose when things fall apart? Security for their families or freedom?

by **emersonbiggins** » Mon 09 Jan 2006, 12:48:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AmericanEmpire', 'B')ut which one do you think the sheep will choose when things fall apart? Security for their families or freedom?

by **smallpoxgirl** » Mon 09 Jan 2006, 13:19:42

I think even that dicotomy is fictitious. There is no such thing as total safety. It just doesn't exist. Uncle Sam can lock you in a padded room and take away your shoe laces. If you are determined enough you are still going to find a way to hurt yourself. You can take away all the guns and knives and bats and install metal detectors on every street corner. Sooner or later someone is going to snap and stab someone to death with an ink pen. If we were getting something back for giving up our freedom, then maybe you could at least argue that it was worthwhile. The truth is that we're giving up freedom for a fiction...something that can never exist.
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"On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero." - Fight Club

by **Chuckmak** » Mon 09 Jan 2006, 19:46:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I') think even that dicotomy is fictitious. There is no such thing as total safety. It just doesn't exist. Uncle Sam can lock you in a padded room and take away your shoe laces. If you are determined enough you are still going to find a way to hurt yourself. You can take away all the guns and knives and bats and install metal detectors on every street corner. Sooner or later someone is going to snap and stab someone to death with an ink pen. If we were getting something back for giving up our freedom, then maybe you could at least argue that it was worthwhile. The truth is that we're giving up freedom for a fiction...something that can never exist.
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"On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero." - Fight Club

by **elroy** » Mon 09 Jan 2006, 21:50:26

I don't think the world is black and white. There's lots of gray areas and the ideal would probably be mostly freedom and as much security as said freedom will allow.

by **SinisterBlueCat** » Mon 09 Jan 2006, 22:01:46

there are two doors in life; one is marked security, the other freedom...chose the one marked security and you lose both.

by **elroy** » Mon 09 Jan 2006, 22:10:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')here are two doors in life; one is marked security, the other freedom