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Re: Dale dumps Mike!

Unread postby MattSavinar » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 02:02:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('annie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', 'O')r maybe this forum would have been created by someone apart from Dan and Aaron who learned about Peak Oil from someone else.

This thread gives the impression that it was only ever possible for the information on PO to be communicated from one specific person to another and that's it.

To say that this forum wouldn't have existed because of Savinar or Ruppert or anyone else is garbage. People make it sound like oil would have got to 60$ and no-one would be talking about Peak Oil if it had not been for one guy.


I agree. Dale would think that it is nonsense that either he or Mike is responsible for this forum.I was just trying to make a point And Dale gives credit for his knowledge to Jay Hanson and many others. But Mike Ruppert did not know about peak oil before Dale Allen Pfeiffer. And Dale got tired of seeing Mike making claims in the name of peak oil that he did not agree with and making bets that Dale had to try to get Mike out of when he made absurd claims. The break was nasty and hard on Dale. But life goes on and he has a new book contract. Isn't it funny how we can say things in email that we would never say in person. Did you know that Mike and Dale never met in person?
Annie


So if you cut hubbert, hanson, dale, mike, richard, deffeyes, simmons etc. . . all out of the picture, you really think things would be just as they are?

Of course not.

As things stand in the reality you and I are operating it, the linkages go as follow in regards to this forum:

Jay > Dale Allen Pfeiffer > Mike Ruppert (FTW) > me > Aaron & Monte
Jay > Richard Heinberg
Jay > Energy Resources List

Like I said in a previous post, Jay is "the Man" when it comes to the Peak Oil movement in its current incarnation, as has it's foundations and roots firmly in the internet, not the newspapers.

I still think he is leaps and bounds ahead of the rest of us as he goes into, what I consider, the truly dark and disturbing aspect of our predicament: human nature.

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Re: Dale dumps Mike!

Unread postby annie » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 09:22:01

I suspect "cashflow" was the reason for DAF parting company, simple as that. DAF wrote good articles (e.g. the one about the "oil grab" in Iraq) and Ruppert does a good job of slapping people around the face with it.[/quote]

You suspect wrong. Dale's paychecks were never on time. He was considered a problem if he complained. He had to go on foodstamps for a while but things seem to be picking up.
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Re: Dale dumps Mike!

Unread postby bobcousins » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 13:20:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bandidoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobcousins', 'E')specially as that sounds like junk science. Geiger counters detect ionising radiation, i.e from radioactive sources.

Not quite.
Geiger counters essentially measure conductivity of air by applying a high voltage across an air gap.
Ionising sources reduce the breakdown voltage of air.
A non-ionising source would produce E-fields that would induce voltages across the GC's air gap - so it would indeed cause an enhanced reading.


Nope, you are wrong. Ionizing radiation creates ions and energetic electrons. This is why it is called ionising radiation. The free electrons are accelerated by the electic field in the device causing an avalanche effect, the large burst of electrons arriving at the anode is what is detected. Geiger counters work with a high voltage which is not affected by weak e-m fields. The breakdown voltage of air is in the kV range, which is way higher.

It should be pretty obvious that a device designed to detect radiation is only sensitive to that, and is not affected by spurious electric fields; otherwise it would require constant calibration and be a pretty a crap detector.

Anyway, the whole point is that to detect electric fields, you use an electric field meter (duh!). This is completely obvious to any engineer qualified to use such devices. This is what makes the original observation nonsensical.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') discovered Peak Oil in 1999 from an edition of the Money Programme on BBC2 featuring Colin Campbell.


According to the BBC that programme was broadcast in 2000.
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Re: Dale dumps Mike!

Unread postby bobcousins » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 13:32:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('annie', 'M')ike learned everything he spouted about the science of peak oil from Dale.


Thanks, that answers my question.

Ruppert is one manipulative SOB. You see on his website he says he couldn't afford the money that Dale was asking, making Dale look like a money-grabber. To the end, Ruppert makes out like he is a victim, in reality he leaches off other people while screwing them over.

Ruppert is some sort of sociopath, and a vile person. So even if he shouts about PO with his big mouth, I really don't give a sh*t. I ain't buying any of this guru crap. Asking people to kiss his ass makes me sick. The world would still be better off without that sort of person.
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Re: Dale dumps Mike!

Unread postby annie » Fri 28 Oct 2005, 10:52:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')mportant Disclaimer
Dale Allen Pfeiffer is no longer associated with Michael C. Ruppert or From the Wilderness publications. He wishes to make it known that he does not agree with the views of Michael Ruppert or his publication


What is going on?

Anyone have the dirt?

I totally respect Dale. He published an article of mine in his newsletter, and his essay about oil and food was the second piece I read about peak oil.

http://www.survivingpeakoil.com/


Here is a response to the above question from Dale Allen Pfeiffer to a reader at [ http://www.survivingpeakoil.com ]. Hope it answers some of your questions. Feel free to ask Dale yourself if you have any questions about the answers.
Annie


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dale Allen Pfeiffer', 'B')ob,

For a professional critique of Mike Ruppert's journalism, please see my blog at http://www.lulu.com/allenadale. The entries dealing with MR are rather far down the page.

In addition and on a more personal level, Mike Ruppert misrepresented the circumstances of my departure. I did not leave FTW because they could not meet my asking price. At the time of my termination, I was making $1,500 a month from FTW in exchange for my writing and editorial services. Though it was barely enough to meet my monthly family expenses, this was my sole income. A couple of years ago, MR had asked me to write exclusively for FTW, stating that people came to FTW looking for my writing. He repeatedly promised that within a year or two at most, he would increase my salary to $50,000 or more. As a result of this, I developed no career outside of FTW. The monthly retainer was little enough, but to make it even worse, for the past year, my paycheck would arrive weeks behind schedule, often not arriving at all until after I complained to MR and the office staff. For my complaints, MR began portraying me as a whiner.

In spite of all this, when I finally separated with FTW, it was over journalistic issues. MR and Jamey Hecht had treated several of my recent submissions in an unethical and unprofessional manner. This culminated in an article I wrote about Peak Oil & the Working Class, and which I subsequently removed from submission. The events surrounding that article, which would take too long to relate here, ultimately led to my termination by Mike Ruppert.

However, these are personal disputes. For a professional criticism, please see my blog. I will add to the criticisms there that MR has a tendency to take credit for the work of his writers. An example of this is the gold investment DVD where all he does is ape the information told to him by Catherine Austin Fitts.

Mike Ruppert often represents himself as an expert on subjects he knows little about beyond the articles published on his website. MR likes to present himself as an energy expert, and says that FTW brought peak oil to the public. An examination of the FTW archives will show that Mike said little about energy and nothing about energy depletion before I began writing for him in December of 2001. A review of his 9-11 video of a speech he made at about the time I made my first submission to him will also bear this out. In truth, if anyone should be given credit for bringing energy depletion to the public, it should be Jay Hanson, followed by Richard Heinberg. FTW did play a part in this, though I regret that information presented in FTW was misinterpreted, sensationalized and tainted by MR.

Since leaving FTW, I have received a number of revelations from various sources that make me question MR's motivation. I now believe that Mike Ruppert profiteers on important topics such as 9-11 and peak oil. Currently, MR is charging $5,000 for public appearances, in addition to expenses. And I have it through personal accounts that MR and his publicist requested a $2,500 "donation" for the privilege of having lunch with MR.

And then there is his recent plea for donations so that he can move to Oregon. This really burns me up, considering that he terminated my position without severance pay at a time when I was moving from Michigan to Kentucky, with all the attending expenses. May I add that my termination came within a month after MR had provided letters to my mortgage company and Michigan Friend of the Court (in regard to a child custody matter) stating that I was an indispensable part of FTW and would always have a position with them. When I see MR pulling this scam while I am on foodstamps and government assistance, it makes me want to vomit.

I should also say a word in defense of the office workers MR vilified in his plea. When Sesylia and Cynthia were office managers, I always received my check on time. And any problem I had was taken care of efficiently and courteously. Based on my personal experiences with these people, I cannot believe that they were FBI plants intended to ruin FTW.

Anyway, as you can tell I have a large sore spot when it comes to MR and FTW. As I said, for a professional critique, please visit my blog.


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Re: Dale dumps Mike!

Unread postby annie » Fri 28 Oct 2005, 11:37:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leaf', 'O')n the "Surviving Peak Oil " site by DAP..I was there 2 times...OMG..I think I would rank this in the top 5 as the most boring PO sites. Nobody but the 2,000 or so odd peakoil.comers could care less about this site! I'll bet surving Vodka hangover.com gets more hits!
Its like this Al Gore needed Bill Clinton..DAP needed Ruppert. Mike Rippert will do just as good with or withour DAP...but DAP will NOT do good without Ruppert! What DAP writes does NOT effect people on an individual base...BUT what Ruppert writes DOES!...Thats the KEY! DAP can go all day long preaching to the laymen about eating fossil fuels..no one will give 2 hoots but the 2,000 PO.comers!
DAP will be LUCKY to even speak aty the community college about PO...While Mike Ruppert speaks to congressmen and well know Universities!
Not here to ditch DAP...but..chalk it up he will do just as good as Joe Smith who just started a PO awarness site on-line.


Sorry you feel this way. Dale doesn't get subscription prices for this site...just posts survival information for free. He has spent many hours of his free time editing articles for people who wanted to post. Dale has worked with the top peak oil scientists on his some of his articles. He really doesn't think much of most of our congress and has been invited to speak at some very well know universites.Perhaps Dale's motives are a bit more altruistic than Mike's.. who knows. He doesn't feel the need to have everyone's adulation and writes novels and plays about 10 musical instruments.Besides he has all the excitement he needs in his life with his feisty wife who has PTSD just like Mike Ruppert and understands MR's dysfunction very well.
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Re: Dale dumps Mike!

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Fri 28 Oct 2005, 13:19:12

Annie, are you Dale?
Or are you someone else.

You ended a prior post signed Dale Allen Pfeiffer. And I went to the lulu website and it's about Dale.

Or are you the woman with Dale in the picture?
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Re: Dale dumps Mike!

Unread postby annie » Fri 28 Oct 2005, 13:53:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'A')nnie, are you Dale?
Or are you someone else.

You ended a prior post signed Dale Allen Pfeiffer. And I went to the lulu website and it's about Dale.

Or are you the woman with Dale in the picture?


No I am most certainly not Dale. And yes I am the woman in the picture with Dale.
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Re: Dale dumps Mike!

Unread postby annie » Fri 28 Oct 2005, 15:08:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'A')nnie, are you Dale?
Or are you someone else.

You ended a prior post signed Dale Allen Pfeiffer. And I went to the lulu website and it's about Dale.

My impression re the signature thing was that she was quoting Dale but didn't use the quote feature to set the text apart. If I'm correct perhaps a mod will edit the post to make that more clear.


You are correct. I was quoting Dale but not totally familiar with the format. Am new to forums..
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Re: Dale dumps Mike!

Unread postby EnviroEngr » Fri 28 Oct 2005, 20:38:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('annie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'A')nnie, are you Dale?
Or are you someone else.

You ended a prior post signed Dale Allen Pfeiffer. And I went to the lulu website and it's about Dale.

My impression re the signature thing was that she was quoting Dale but didn't use the quote feature to set the text apart. If I'm correct perhaps a mod will edit the post to make that more clear.


You are correct. I was quoting Dale but not totally familiar with the format. Am new to forums..
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Re: Dale dumps Mike!

Unread postby Whitecrab » Sat 29 Oct 2005, 23:51:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobcousins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Whitecrab', 'T')hat is definately somewhere in Crossing the Rubicon...page 304 in my copy (Chapter 17 - Vreeland II: Silencing Me). Their general manager "had a scientific background and was an amateur hard-rock miner," and his Giger counter read .16-.42 Microsieverts during "the attack" as opposed to the normal .02-.06 for background readings.


Especially as that sounds like junk science. Geiger counters detect ionising radiation, i.e from radioactive sources. That includes gamma radiation, but AFAIK the suspected and alleged EM weapons do not use that frequency. A lot of the alleged EM weapons are not EM anyway, they are things like infrasound.

So was it a city official or his general manager?

The more I hear about this guy, the more I realise he is completely loopy.


It was definately a general manager who used the Geiger counter.

Reading it again, after the geiger counter readings, Ruppert says he "contacted the manager of the building" and showed her around with the Geiger counter and a camera, making a big show of taking pictures everything, documenting everything, and letting it be widely known what they were doing. After that the "attack" stopped.

People are probably confusing the building manager with a city official. Or perhaps Ruppert sent letters (that "they" could see :roll:) documenting his problems to the city as well.

BTW, Ruppert's source for the science of this is (quoted word-for-word):

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ot long afterwards we found a story which disclosed that in the 1950s and 60s the US Embassy in Moscow believed that it was being bombared by Gamma radiation which had resulted in the deaths of two abassadors, the sickening of another, and a declaration that the embassy was a hazardous-duty zone. As it turned out the embassy was being bombabrded by high-intensity microwave beams as part of an eavesdropping program. The microwaves had been detected by a Geiger counter brought in by security personnel.[14]

Footnote [14] reads: "Microwave Radiation of US Embassy in Moscow," <http://www.cheniere.org/briefings/DoDPriore/slides/054.htm>.
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Re: Dale dumps Mike!

Unread postby aldente » Sat 07 Jan 2006, 22:44:06

EnviroEngr I finally came around and did the search on what your signature temet nosce stands for :
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This makes sense, quote: finding a purpose and achieving fulfillment requires the sharing of knowledge, wisdom, and support.

I couldn't agree more, otherwise why bother to even post on a public forum? This site here is of particular high value in my opinion since it is so profound. Always a pleasure to meet likeminded people.

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Re: Dale dumps Mike!

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Sun 08 Jan 2006, 11:48:55

is this one of those auto-biographical posts where our response says as much (or more) about us, as it does about the subject matter ?

i'm surprised people enjoy bashing M. Ruppert so much.

especially given that, as it will turn out, Mike has saved the lives of some of the people bashing him !! - by indefatigably persisting to the point where we are now - where we (sort of) "get" peak oil.

he's the only investigative journalist whose product i currently pay money for.
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Re: Dale dumps Mike!

Unread postby The_Virginian » Mon 09 Jan 2006, 01:53:12

This thread remids me of old times long forgotten.

I don't know either Dale or Ruppert personaly.

SO my feelings are only via limited moderator approved contact with dale, and hearsay /and/or writtings of Mike.

Mike seems to be "head for the hills, it's gonna crash."

Dale seems to be "stay in the city, local democracy will succeed."


If Dales accusations of stolen ideas are true, I can Identify with the "Califonia Hug" wherein "frenidly" Koombia types rob you of your energies, wisdom and time to magnify themselves...


As for EMF, gieger meters are not the way to mesure, as pointed out by others...

However, there are a plethera of ways to Harras an enemy and make him (Look) and act "insane":


like this way to harass public gatherings is to make them sick...actualy used on British anti war protesters:

http://www.shomer-tec.com/site/product. ... 8C2B6575EE


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Here is something I stumbled on whem looking up EMF:

http://www.iahf.com/nsa/20010214.html

I don't know what to make of it, any comments?

NOW here are supposedly PATENT NUMBERS for technological advances in MIND CONTROL VIA RF and EMF/Microwave technology:

http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/int ... ntscontrol
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Re: Dale dumps Mike!

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Mon 09 Jan 2006, 08:47:11

EW & related countermeasures were developed significantly by Terman for use during WW2.

i used to work in the factory in san carlos, CA, where Charlie Litton built vacuum tubes. it's still going today, owned by L3.

in about 1985, i had a co-worker named "mo" (short for Maurice). an older guy. we were developing microwave instrumentation. if i had walked up to him with a small transmitter and suggested he hold it next to his ear, i think he would have taken it as an insult.

still, after 20 years of experimenting with cell-phones, i suppose we can conclude that low-level EMF's are safe at that distance and power level.

the use of EM technology for electronic surveillance is many decades old. for inducing ill effects in people, yes, the US "national security" establishment is experimenting.

if M. Ruppert says his office was so surveilled, i believe him.

the exact nature of the electro-magnetic surveillance & harassment we the public can't be sure of.

it sounds like FTW publications could use an electrical engineer to assist with electronic countermeasures.

perhaps that is a testament to the impact that FTW is having. not many journalists are singled out for this kind of treatment.

i would say that both Dale & Mike are working for the common good.
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Re: Dale Allen Pfeiffer dumps Mike Ruppert!

Unread postby EnviroEngr » Wed 11 Dec 2013, 17:11:00

Interesting how this has all changed in the last 7 years! 8O
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Re: Dale Allen Pfeiffer dumps Mike Ruppert!

Unread postby John_A » Thu 12 Dec 2013, 13:27:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnviroEngr', 'I')nteresting how this has all changed in the last 7 years! 8O


Boy you sure picked a golden oldie. People stopped talking about Mike the more he discredited himself and reality discredited his position on the topic. But he is in a band now, the world not having collapsed as hoped, and his internet fund raising schemes have wound down, all good things.
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Re: Dale Allen Pfeiffer dumps Mike Ruppert!

Unread postby EnviroEngr » Fri 13 Dec 2013, 20:17:27

John, maybe he could have a battle of the bands face-off with Spinal Tap, LOL.
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Re: Dale Allen Pfeiffer dumps Mike Ruppert!

Unread postby EnviroEngr » Fri 13 Dec 2013, 20:31:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnviroEngr', 'I')nteresting how this has all changed in the last 7 years! 8O

Not so much. The trolls still abound and the fearsome troll-hunters still stalk their toothsome prey LOL


I had a feeling that something like that would continue to be the case. Even so, I suspect there is benefit in being the place where Information comes together with Therapy to deliver people to a higher estate, while in their panic, they watch the American Dream get revealed as the Chump Nightmare:

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