[entropyfails]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', 'D')avid/Leah Eddings had a neat idea also. While in government the polititians don't get paid, just living expences covered. You'd be more likely to get people who want to serve the country rather than just themselves.

[pedalling_faster]

i have a feeling that the media will be pursuing the latest Bu$h wrongdoing until about 2007.
in addition to
* elton john's wedding
* michael jackson's debt default-ment
and all the other "news" ... also given that the US has 2006 elections coming up that could deliver a majority that would vote for impeachment, then a medium chance of impeachment proceedings in 2007 ...

kind of pushes Peak Oil to the back page, doesn't it ?
well, for those that are interested, at least (looking on the "bright" side, well that's the wrong word) the mainstream media covers some Peak Oil related events, such as the refinery fire in England.
and i'm not saying that the latest spying news isn't important - though actually, what is news is that the mainstream media is talking about it, reports have been filtering in since 9-11 of surveillance of anti-war groups, etc. (civil liberties shredding) (well, before 9-11, also) - but in the meantime, there's a much bigger wave that's coming.

to use the surfing term, it looks like folks who rely on mainstream media will be/are being "caught inside" by Peak Oil.
admittedly, there are few delusions as sweet as believing that one belongs to a group that "knows the truth".
anyway, to the extent that we can prepare, it's good to have forums like this to help us prepare.

[Carlhole]

MSNBC Poll

Do you believe President Bush's actions justify impeachment?

[Specop_007]

No more then Clintons did...err.....

[LadyRuby]

Yes.

Seems I'm in good company.

[The_Toecutter]

It's hard to say whether Bush was intelligent enough to even realize what he was doing, but yes, I think he does deserve impeachemnt along with any and all congressmen that voted for the following:
1) Transferring the power to declare war from the congress to the president. This is unconstitutional since the power to declare war is delegated to congress only.
2) Armed Action in Iraq. The UN Security Council never gave approval, as specified in the Uniting for Peace Charter the United States agreed to adhere to, and never dropped out of. as a result, Article VI Clause II of the U.S. Constitution was violated since it states: "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."
3) Patriot Act. Warrantless wiretaps or wiretaps before a warrant violate the fourth amendment.
4) Homeland Security Act. No where in the constitution are there provisions to create a government branch of this sort. Further, the new definitions of terrorist to include 'economic terrorism' open up a possibility of infringing upon the 1st amendment rights of American citizens, and in fact the act has been used for this purpose(ie. to bust up a dockworkers' strike in 2003 by threatening the participants with a charge of economic terrorism). Further, the new definition of terrorism is so vague that it can be used to outlaw iotherwise constitutionally protected dissent, and has also been used to do so. The provision for a database of American citizens also violates the fourth amendment since this information of theirs is gathered without their consent.

So basically, every senator and the vast majority of representatives...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o more then Clintons did...err.....

[Falconoffury]

Bush has done enough to deserve exile to a third world country in my opinion.

[SurvivalAcres]

Bush should have never been allowed to ascend to the Presidency in 2000, nor "won" the (s)election of 2004. Serious investigative research has amply demonstrated these two facts.
I opposed Bush prior to 2000 and warned family and friends that he would destroy this country (with help of course).
Five years later, we're talking about impeaching him. Which is ridiculous when you consider his crimes. Clinton's impeachment is like getting a letter in your personnel file, big friggin deal.

Bush should be tried for treason, genocide and crimes against humanity and executed. Along with his Cabinet of conspiracy.
I have no idea who "should" be President. Certainly not Cheney, Orchestrator in Chief. Nor the Speaker of the House. The entire US government is corrupt to the core and complicit to the crimes within. This hope that it is "going to get better" has never once proven to be true. This is a false hope.

The only "right" thing to do for the country and for the horrible injustices committed by the Bush Administration to the American people (9/11), to Iraq, to Afghanistan, to the tortured, the murdered and the executed, is to have a public trial and a public execution.
But I learned my own lesson - I have no such hope. Doing the right thing isn't acceptable anymore.

[gego]

I think every president from Lincoln forward (especially including Lincoln) should have been hung for treason for the expansion of the federal government power far beyond the authorization of the Constitution.

Bush is worse than most.

[LadyRuby]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', 'I') think every president from Lincoln forward (especially including Lincoln) should have been hung for treason for the expansion of the federal government power far beyond the authorization of the Constitution.
Bush is worse than most.

[woodman]

He swore to uphold the constitution. He has tried and succeeded with congresses' help to maim it (the patriot act). He and his administration have ignored the rule of law. These are acts of treason and go far beyond mere impeachment.

Impeachment would be a good start though.

[Carlhole]

This is an article by Barrie Zwicker who produced and hosted the documentary "End of Suburbia". It's about a year old. I don't know if I agree with it all but I'm posting it anyway.
I like the Lew Rockwell Libertarian slogan "Antiwar, Anti-State, Pro-Market". I think Fascism is an abuse of state power every bit as dangerous as Communism. Zwicker is obviously much further to the left.

[url=http://www.newsgateway.ca/America_The_Fourth_Reich.htm]
America: The Fourth Reich
It should not be denied any longer: America is hurtling along the road to full-fledged fascism. To recognize this is the necessary first step in deflecting the juggernaut and creating the possibility of more peaceful tomorrows. It is legitimate and also necessary to correctly employ the power of naming.
By Barrie Zwicker, Global Outlook, Issue No. 6, Winter 2004[/url]
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zwicker', 'F')ascism according to the Collins English Dictionary is “any (#1) right wing (#2) nationalist ideology or movement with (#3) an authoritarian and (#4) hierarchical structure that is (#5) fundamentally opposed to democracy and (#6) liberalism”. Add (#7) racism and #8 brutality and you have Hitler’s Third Reich in a nutshell.

By any sober analysis America has become extremely right wing and nationalist. At the same time I am soulfully aware of the tremendous numbers of Americans ashamed, appalled, afraid and angry about the direction of their government and that of too many of their fellow citizens.
Signs of growing authoritarianism in the US are evident especially to those outside the self-absorbed cocoon of US culture. The signs include the supine attitude toward authority of most of the mainstream media.

Contrary to incessant rhetoric about democracy, the US power structure is considerably hierarchical. Money power comprises the main rungs of the hierarchy. According to the New York Times the Republicans were confident of raising at least $170-million for George W. Bush’s 2004 election campaign, redefining what the Times called ‘standards’ for fund-raising. Both the hierarchy of money and the antagonism to democracy are spelled out in Greg Palast’s The Best Democracy Money Can Buy.
That the US establishment is opposed to liberalism – no matter how you define liberalism – can hardly be debated. We already have six grounds for applying the term Fourth Reich. But consider another 20 parallels between the USA today and Hitler’s Germany:

Concepts like anti-communism, anti-Marxism, anti-socialism stir up visceral reactions. The core opposition to the regime is from the strong conscious left.
A fundamentalist faith in capitalism, specifically the systematized form of greed known as monopoly capitalism, is dominant. Corporations are at the centre of the power structure. Corruption at the top is endemic.

The number of people consigned to the grave by military and paramilitary actions in both cases is in the millions. Backdate the Fourth Reich to the end of the Second World War and the number murdered by US forces equals or outnumbers the toll in the Holocaust – almost three and a half million people in Vietnam alone. The brutality is a matter of record for those who are willing to look at it. See William Blum’s Killing Hope for one researcher’s record...

[jaws]

If the government was accountable to the same laws as the common people, then they would have all been given the death penalty a long time ago.

[coyote]

check out the results of the poll so far: 85% yes! wahoo! what a ride this year has been!

[eric_b]

Impeach Bush? Yes, without a doubt.

[Colorado-Valley]

How about leaving Bush and that whole crew of violent neocons -- the people who destroyed the city of Fallujah last year -- out on a main street of that city, naked and wearing "Bring It On!" signs.

[Doly]

If Bush's actions don't justify impeachment, what does? Maybe "right" and "wrong" have entirely different meanings when it comes to presidents.

[deconstructionist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', 'c')heck out the results of the poll so far: 85% yes! wahoo! what a ride this year has been!

[ONeil]

Do you believe President Bush's actions justify impeachment? * 139799 responses
Yes, between the secret spying, the deceptions leading to war and more, there is plenty to justify putting him on trial. 85%
No, like any president, he has made a few missteps, but nothing approaching "high crimes and misdemeanors." 5%
No, the man has done absolutely nothing wrong. Impeachment would just be a political lynching. 8%
I don't know. 2%
Fascinating Poll. I wonder how long it will stay up.

[Carlhole]

I think the anger reflected by this poll is just the tip of an emerging iceberg of contention.
The views contained in the following editorial of Iran’s leading hard-line daily hailed the outcome of Iraq’s parliamentary elections as “the creation of the first Islamist state in the Arab world”, and warned against “American plots” to prevent the formation of the new Iraqi government by Iranian-backed Shiite groups.

Iran Focus

Lots of these stories are emerging and I've posted a few of them here:
Iran wins big in Iraq's elections

Once this sinks in, people will begin wondering, "Why in the fuck did we invade Iraq which had nothing to do with 911, sacrifice over two thousand young lives, permanently maim another 15,000, wreck American prestige worldwide, drive our country further into debt, etc when all we accomplished is a big step towards a pan-Islamic Caliphate long dreamed of by our avowed enemies including Al-Quaeda?

This really shows the world that we are nothing but world-class fools IMO.
I just hope the anger is severe enough that movers and shakers in this country begin to take a harder look at some of the glaringly weird facts surrounding the 911 attacks which kicked off this incredible blunder.