BNP discussion

by **EnergySpin** » Wed 20 Jul 2005, 19:11:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') guess he said a little too much.

by **eastbay** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 05:19:53

It's obvious to just about everyone here that every nation will soon be entering an era of population reduction (one way or THE other). It's an excellent step in the proper direction when a political party acknowledges Peak Oil and calls for a stoppage to immigration, regardless of the political motives behind such a call.

Politics aside, I think we can all applaud the BNP for taking this brave position, a position all Western parties will eventually be forced to take whether they want to or not. Hopefully the rest of the political parties everywhere will soon see the crystal clear common sense in this policy and either follow this lead or lose a share of the electorate.

I also applaud the civility with which the members of this forum have discussed this topic with a minimum of the usual name-calling and pointless and childish slander. That speaks well of all of membership of the PeakOil.com forum.

What a great board!!

EastBay

by **Doly** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 05:32:03

I don't think it's a brave position to say they want a stop to immigration. They're just giving voice to the popular feeling of a number of people.

And anyway, guess what the party in power, whatever it is, is going to do when TSHTF? Exactly that!

by **julianj** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 05:55:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')I think we can all applaud the BNP for taking this brave position

by **eastbay** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 06:05:56

FYI what they put on the website is not what they actually believe.

Now that's truly SHOCKING!!! Lol... like all the other political parties reveal their "real" positions publically. :lol:

Good one!! :lol:

by **linlithgowoil** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 06:49:27

the problem with the BNP, for me, is that it seems to be full of fat, baldy middle aged men from the north of england who are thick as mince.

I think its a wonderful idea that they want to preserve their racial purity - they can keep their obviously poor genetics!

BTW, i'm white irish/scottish and im not a racist, though i see no problem in someone admitting that they feel more comfortable with people of the same culture/skin colour as themselves - that is entirely natural and doesnt mean you dont like other cultures/colours.

by **Chocky** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 09:41:13

Redjake- regarding freedom of speech in the UK

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')r Griffin, 45, of Llanerfyl, Powys, faces two charges of using words or behaviour intended to stir up racial hatred and two charges of using words or behaviour likely to stir up racial hatred.

by **Jake_old** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 11:31:05

Thanks Chocky

Was that link supposed to be about free speech because it links to the terror alerts on bbc.

If Griffin was simply telling people to go and attack people then its fair that it is treated as Criminal IMHO.

BUT if he was expressing opinions on a particular issue then i find it deeply worrying.

by **Chocky** » Fri 22 Jul 2005, 04:18:29

Sorry, this is the correct link. It doesn't actually quote anyone, apart from:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')r Tyndall was arrested in December following a speech he made in March 2004.

He was charged with two offences of using words or behaviour intended or likely to stir up racial hatred.

by **I_Like_Plants** » Fri 22 Jul 2005, 05:56:21

RedJake you've never lived in the US have you? If you're white and don't have a lot of money, it's calculated to make you a Klansman, generally a subconscous one, but one all the same. Everything is allotted by race. Every job-application form, stuff like rental forms, even car-insurance forms, have a space, or a whole page! Where you have to write in what race you are. College access, access to training programs, jobs, rentals, buying a house, anything, everything, is based on race and this is written into law.

I have some find neighbors I like to consider..... stinking dotheads. Indians. If I were to refer to them as such, I'd go directly to prison. Not jail. Prison. If <i>they were to call me</i> every name in the book and every racial insult they could possibly think up, ...... I'd to go prison, not jail, prison.

You have no idea how things are in the US.

Now, if I could only get a feel for that Horst Wessel Song....

by **julianj** » Fri 22 Jul 2005, 06:15:51

America certainly is a different world.

by **Jake_old** » Fri 22 Jul 2005, 07:06:14

You are absolutely correct, I have never lived in the US.

I am ashamed to say that up until recently (about a year ago) I bought into the idea that Americans were all Fat, Lazy, Greedy, Thoughtless gun toting cowboys. I now know this was a ridiculous conclusion and have seen proof that you guys are as thinking and thoughtful as the rest of the world, which isn't very.

I wish I'd visited the US 5 years or more ago, I hope to visit there at some point anyway but would rather have met people before the constitution was being tampered with, and before the distrust of outsiders was so strong. Or has it always been like that?

I have very little idea of how things are there, yes, I think it may be better never to have had liberty, than to have had real, written into law liberty, that the rights of man do not come from the state etc.. And then to lose it, to a Texan cowboy :cry:

(I do understand that it is more complicated than that last glib bit.)

by **I_Like_Plants** » Fri 22 Jul 2005, 07:16:00

And I voted for said Texan cowboy because the alternative was the same kind of liberal cocksucker who I'd had against me all my life - would happily see me die because I'm an evil whitey.

I've walked miles, yes more than one, to get a little bit of work so I could buy bread, milk (if lucky) and eggs to feed my family so we'd not go to bed hungry that night. This was in high school, if all americans were fat and lazy all I'd worry about is the senior prom or something. (Was kept out of even wondering about any senior proms, whites not welcome.)

Gun-toting is a good thing, the only reason I didn't get a gun and shoot up the local high school and a few other places is I could not afford one. If you'd lived where and how I grew up, you'd realize what a healthy and natural, wholesome, statement that is.

Jake by God you have your heart in the right place but you have no idea what the US and other multicultural hellholes are like. Only your own multicultural hellhole in the UK and it sounds like a hellhole indeed.

Read Richard Dawkins. Vote BNP.

by **I_Like_Plants** » Fri 22 Jul 2005, 07:17:39

Not to diss you, you really have a good heart, and we'd always like to hear more about Britain (and the success of the BNP!)

by **Jake_old** » Fri 22 Jul 2005, 07:42:05

Yup

a year ago I thought strict gun control was a good idea, thank you kind state for protecting me from the danger of guns. I have changed my mind on that too, specifically because of discussions i have read on these boards.

I will never be able to own a gun unless I achieve my dream of getting a smallholding(which is unlikely but possible). My rights come from the state. I don't trust the people with guns here, which is why ordinary people should be allowed to have them.sigh..

I wont be voting BNP though sorry, I have always taken an opposing view to what is the accepted mode of thought, ever since a child, I think it is a mental condition, seriously, I can't possibly disagree ALL the time with everyone but I do seem to. If the BNP were in power I would not do very well in society.

A good alternative I think would be making foriegn policy which prevents the kind of manipulation of other societies, thus making them very unpleasent places to live, thus creating mass immigration. We should ask why do people want to come here and not stay in the country of origin?

I understand that population has to reduce though. Enforced sterilisation? Deportation of immigrants? More War? Disease? However it happens no one is going to like it, and if I were to pick up and save those most important people to me, yes they would probably look similar to me.

Cheap energy affords me a caring outlook towards others and I'm going to make the most of it while it is here. I expect my opinions on a great many things will change over the course of the next decade or so.

by **eastbay** » Fri 22 Jul 2005, 16:10:40

I understand that population has to reduce though. Enforced sterilisation? Deportation of immigrants? More War? Disease? However it happens no one is going to like it, and if I were to pick up and save those most important people to me, yes they would probably look similar to me.

It's interesting to note that just about 100% of the worlds population growth in the past 50 years has been among non-Caucasians. If the non-Caucasians hadn't experienced such a monstrous run-up in numbers the terrifying effects of Peak-Oil would be mitigated significantly because there would today be 2.5 billion people on Earth instead of 6.5 billion and the looming energy disaster would be significantly lessened.

Interesting indeed.

http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/worldpop.html

by **Eddie_lomax** » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 11:21:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '
')Godwin's law- Whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress

[...]

The one pointing and screaming 'NAZI!!!', or 'COMMUNIST!!!' or just about anything else has no further meaning to me particularly losing all credibility on THAT particular argument and tainting others.

by **Andrew_S** » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 13:11:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', '
') the differences among individuals of the same race is larger than the difference among races.

by **Jake_old** » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 15:19:36

I'm sorry but I can't help but engage racists

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '3')) A population that has social cohesion (ie one where people share something more than just money in common with each other).

by **Andrew_S** » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 16:25:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedJake', 'I')'m sorry but I can't help but engage racists

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '3')) A population that has social cohesion (ie one where people share something more than just money in common with each other).

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